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What is wms doin? Java keep bothers me to update, but I can't cuz stone sound will be gone again.

lovelove wrote:What is wms doin? Java keep bothers me to update, but I can't cuz stone sound will be gone again.

No idea. The last thing I heard was this (Jul the 31st):

wms wrote:I give up. I'll fix the *!@*$!@#*$ stone sounds.

But I'm going on vacation on Friday (to Congress then to a family event); I don't want to fix before then, because if there is a problem with my fix I won't be able to change anything until I return. So I'll try to get a fix in sometime after August 20...it's a long way off, but that's when I'll be back around.

Maybe someone has more up to date information.

Codexus wrote:After not playing on KGS for a while I had the bad surprise to encounter this issue when coming back (on win 7 x64)

I solved it by installing Java 6u31 (apparently the latest that still works) without uninstalling Java 7. Then I just dowloaded the CGoban jar file and made a batch file to start it with version 6u31.

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"C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaw" -jar cgoban.jar

That way I can keep an unmodified latest version of Java 7 for everything else and have CGoban working without having to pull off my own hair in frustration trying some of the clever hacks proposed here

For everybody still reading this thread, I just used Codexus fix and it still works.

Mef wrote:I believe you could also download the JNLP ( http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jnlp )and use:

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"C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaws" cgoban.jnlp

And you would retain the automatic updating features of java webstart.

Also tried this, doesn't work.

DeFlow wrote:

Codexus wrote:After not playing on KGS for a while I had the bad surprise to encounter this issue when coming back (on win 7 x64)

I solved it by installing Java 6u31 (apparently the latest that still works) without uninstalling Java 7. Then I just dowloaded the CGoban jar file and made a batch file to start it with version 6u31.

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"C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaw" -jar cgoban.jar

That way I can keep an unmodified latest version of Java 7 for everything else and have CGoban working without having to pull off my own hair in frustration trying some of the clever hacks proposed here

For everybody still reading this thread, I just used Codexus fix and it still works.

Mef wrote:I believe you could also download the JNLP ( http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jnlp )and use:

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"C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaws" cgoban.jnlp

And you would retain the automatic updating features of java webstart.

Also tried this, doesn't work.

So still no fixes for the client, which is the only choice.

Why is it the only choice? I have to agree with you that it's a bit... unprofessional to leave a bug like this hanging for so long, but the fix mentioned above is available to anyone, right? Or is it only available to windows users?

DeFlow wrote:Why is it the only choice? I have to agree with you that it's a bit... unprofessional to leave a bug like this hanging for so long, but the fix mentioned above is available to anyone, right? Or is it only available to windows users?

Only choice = Only way to log in and play KGS

DeFlow wrote:Why is it the only choice? I have to agree with you that it's a bit... unprofessional to leave a bug like this hanging for so long, but the fix mentioned above is available to anyone, right? Or is it only available to windows users?

On the contrary, I think that using "unprofessional" in this context is inaccurate.

In the practical world of IT project management, it's accepted that software of any significant size or complexity is not going to be flawless. Given that there will be imperfections, quite a bit of work goes into classifying defects, so that the developers focus on what will give the best results.

For example, a defect which causes a bank's internet banking facility to be unavailable to customers is a very serious issue and must be fixed immediately. In contrast, a misspelling which has no legal implications receives a significantly lower priority.

In this instance, the lack of a noise when a move is made is inconvenient, but does not prevent games from being played. The cause of the problem is outside the KGS code. In addition, there are existing, documented workarounds which fix the problem for almost everyone. Therefore, if I were evaluating this problem, I'd categorise it as annoying for some people, but not critical or urgent.

In my opinion, an example of unprofessional behaviour would be knowing that KGS is unavailable to people, being able to fix it quickly and ignoring the problem in order to watch television. Even then, given that KGS is a hobby site for the developer, an argument can be made that unprofessional doesn't apply even then.

In the IT world, calling someone or someone's actions unprofessional is quite a serious accusation. I think its use in this instance is exaggerated.

Maybe you exaggerate the negative connotation associated with unproffessionalism. Like you said, KGS is made by hobbyists, so is it not expected that they do not handle everything like professionals?

I don't see why you would argue about a choice of words like this. I think we all agree that the sound bug is annoying, and we all agree that, since the bug has existed for more than one and a half year and annoys the majority of players, it's a semi-serious issue.

I have much respect for the developers and I thanks them (him?) for the wonderful KGS-application. Just don't go around and say that I cannot call some hobbyist unprofessional.

lovelove wrote: Only choice = Only way to log in and play KGS

Are you saying the fix does not work for you?

DeFlow wrote:

lovelove wrote: Only choice = Only way to log in and play KGS

Are you saying the fix does not work for you?

I can hear sounds by stopping java updates, but this is not a fix for the client itself. I no more play games in KGS for lack of users, but still I think the developer or -ers are lazy.

So no word since end of July? Just installed KGS on a new laptop, and no sound. Using an outdated, less secure Java version really isn't an option for this machine. I wonder if we chipped in, we could pay wms to sit down a couple hours and fix this? C.Blue posted a solution in a different thread.

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Javaness2 wrote:html

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lovelove wrote:

Javaness2 wrote:html

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Acquiescence.

wms is working on a html client, that is why he isn't fixing this.

speedchase wrote:wms is working on a html client, that is why he isn't fixing this.

When will it come out?