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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:06 pm
by Uberdude
illluck wrote:Oh, and also, I forgot to mention. The connect also leaves a slightly stronger shape facing the top (though there's no real potential invasion there - I really wish I had extended as Uberdude recommends instead of let black capture now XD).


EH???!!!!! Strong shape for invading the top? Does he not realise his entire group is in mortal danger?!

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:22 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 0 . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mmm, I guess black took the bait (I hope I'm not misreading here, though :p).

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:16 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O 1 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:52 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I should probably remove the keima slide first before trying to separate.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:31 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go ahead, spend another move and connect. I'll be over here.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:06 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . 4 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mmm, that looks very hard to deal with - I don't think I have much of a choice. Presumably black wants to settle his group first so he can cut my right side off.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:50 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O 5 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 am
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Only move as far as I can see.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:49 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , 9 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is pretty much the only road, yeah?

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:31 pm
by illluck
Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , 9 0 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure if black has harsher sequences, but it is a one-way route for white.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:35 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:21 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure, but it feels like I got off more easily than I deserved. However, I still owe a move, so have work very hard to catch up.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:19 am
by illluck
Bump in case Shaddy missed my last move.

Also, I just saw that black has O2 after atari to cut off, but I can protect after the atari because after I s8 the capture is gote. So black later has a fairly large yose and I'm even more behind than I thought, but still seems playable (I'm considering N13 first and then L11, but I'll have to bid my time).

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:34 pm
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . 3 O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:59 pm
by illluck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wanted to N13 atari first as it is more forcing, but it scares me a bit because then black may play where I played and either cut in sente or take the entire corner.