[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | c X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . a b W O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . e . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White can't play at 'a' or B can double atari for an eye, if W connects at 'b'(why? I don't know, but it's an option ok ) B connects A and has an eye. e doesn't work because B plays 'b' the either captures or plays at A10. c should be whites best local line unless I'm hallucinating.
$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 2 X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 5 4 W O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 6 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | 8 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 0 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | O X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X 1 X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And we reach ko to connect. W has a decent number of ko threats in upper left, B has a few internal threats, as well as threats on whites top group. Additionally the lower right corner is still invadable in ko.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:10 pm
by Wanderling
$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm going to play out my planned sequence. WC8-A10. Now B will have an eye and I can theoretically make the second one pressuring W top group. I will admit to some worrying about W playing the one of the moves I said "don't work". I have a few different ideas on that. 1) I'm hallucinating and about to die horribly. 2) W is content with black living small in gote to play elsewhere. 3) W doesn't like ko. This last point is somewhat empirical. I think it would have been better for W if there had been ko for life in the bottom left corner but W backed off to let B live unconditionally(gote though). I don't think I have the advantage on ko threats as W has a whole lot of pressure to bear on my top left group.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:47 pm
by Wanderling
$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm68 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I chose this instead of sealing him because of "safety first". I know what you're all thinking: White has no territory! Yeah...
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:40 pm
by Wanderling
Bump in case Twitch didn't get it.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:42 pm
by Twitchy Go
With apologies to both Wanderling and any observers I'll work on my time management so that I don't have to go off the grid finishing assignments every few days
$$Wcm68 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . b . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . W . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . | $$ | X X X X X B . X . 7 O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . 5 4 2 , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . 6 X 3 1 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . .a . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The normal point to poke this shape doesn't end in a cut thanks to the marked If W does peep I can still get out from behind enemy lines. Therefor white will probably try to keep black in more loosely or tenuki elsewhere. The likely scenario following that line is a huge territory exchange with both sides using their center thickness to mount deep invasions at a and b.(approximately). I'm not sure if that's a good trade for me but it seems like scrambling to live locally is way passive.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:42 pm
by Wanderling
$$Wcm68 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . X . X . . . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm68 Captures: B-1 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . X . X . . . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I really start to suck in mid-game. Here I want to stop him from connecting out and 'aim' at the upper right side. Hidden comments to me by pros are appreciated.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:41 pm
by Twitchy Go
A few thoughts on the board
This is an interesting point in regards to direction of play. I see three general options. 1. My center group isn't safe enough yet, keep strengthening it. 2. I should solidify my territory on the upper right now that I've strengthened my center group. 3. White stands to gain more territory from his moyo then i do from mine, I need to invade.
I think my group is strong enough as it stands, but the question is how will moves in other parts of the board effect this? If I invade W bottom then I could be either giving him thickness to continue attacking, or creating a weak group(the worse outcome) that gets chased and split from my center group.
I think white is a bit to strong in the center to try to make my upper right to big, but it might be worth it to play a move to try to reduce invasion points/aji.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:23 am
by emeraldemon
not for players:
i think white's move is slack. there's cutting points in black's shape and that's a big dragon to lose. I'd love to see white try to read the possibilities for cutting at G10 or J10 for example.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:26 am
by Wanderling
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:39 am
by emeraldemon
Is that frowny face related to the hidden text marked "not for players" ?
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:44 am
by Wanderling
Yes, lol. It's ok, I'm fine with it.
Not for Twitchy:
The game is getting hard for me! Hard to know what is the right strategy. Someone give me advice...JK. *Sigh*
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:47 am
by emeraldemon
Wanderling wrote:Yes, lol. It's ok, I'm fine with it.
You're fine with it? "Not for players" includes you!
) B connects A and has an eye. e doesn't work because B plays 'b' the either captures or plays at A10. c should be whites best local line unless I'm hallucinating. 
If W does peep I can still get out from behind enemy lines. Therefor white will probably try to keep black in more loosely or tenuki elsewhere. The likely scenario following that line is a huge territory exchange with both sides using their center thickness to mount deep invasions at a and b.(approximately). I'm not sure if that's a good trade for me but it seems like scrambling to live locally is way passive.
