[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm gonna go with mutual damage for 500. I could defend my points, but he'd just keep staking out half the board. I need to reduce his moyo. If he plays to defend his points, I will defend mine on the left.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:19 pm
by Marcus
I think the game truly begins here ... this might take me some time to work out. Bear with me.
Ok, that all-or-nothing fight I was looking for ... it's probably about to start. I don't think I can simply defend without making sure I gain more than he does. I'll post variations when I figure them out.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:43 pm
by Marcus
$$Wcm66 Move 66 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm66 Move 66 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay. Let's go.
I examined playing defensively, but I'm still behind and letting Black gain solit territory at the same time leads to failure. The only option I have is to jump into his territory and see if I can make things complicated.
Hopefully, I can find a way to cut off his bottom group from the rest of his stones. That group looks very weak to me, but I have to be careful.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:55 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm67 Move 67 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm67 Move 67 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There is a proverb to not attach to weak stones. In this case, I'm attaching to strengthen both sides. I'll end up stronger so that I can wreak havok in his area. He'll get stronger so that he can try to to do the same to my area. However, I'm very strong in this area. The only agi I can see him possibly using is at f18.
This move also has the merit of cutting him off. However, he might be able to make sabaki here.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:00 pm
by Marcus
$$Wcm68 Move 68 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . 1 . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm68 Move 68 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . 1 . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
BAM! Right in the (elephant's) eye!
I can't pass up this move. I have D10 over there calling to my stones, and if I get deep enough the game becomes chaos. First, though, I need to wait and see how he responds.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:39 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm69 Move 69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm69 Move 69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'll let him push through here. It solidifies me a humongous corner, and he still hasn't prevented me from reducing the right from the outside, or from s10. I don't think I'll have to sacrifice my five stones, but it is definitely an option.
The hane here is more interesting for white as a response. I cannot just cut, or my two stones get captured.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:44 pm
by Marcus
$$Wcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . 1 O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . 1 O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's see where this goes. Black is going to reduce my center ... but he's giving me an angle to use to reduce his upper left ... and I'm still not convinced his bottom group is secure.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:51 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm71 Move 71 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . 1 X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . O O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . 4 . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O 3 O O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X 1 X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . B O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O B B . B . B O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O B . . . . B O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
At the very least, I can keep the group cut off, and we'll see if he can make two eyes. I don't think it will die, but let's see if he worries at all about it.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:50 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm73 Move 73 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . O O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm76 Move 76 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . B . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm assuming C11 was your move, not mine. If not, we can roll back.
The weak group is now attacked. Let's see how he responds. I chose this particular move because it removes a number of possible forcing moves for Black to exploit, and really makes the bottom Black group look weak. This might just be what I was looking for. I'll re-count when the dust settles a bit.