[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Same thing going on here as in my last move. Gotta protect the corner. points... etc...
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:21 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Groan. Would have greatly preferred to see S13. S14 would have been better. This gives up a stone that I think we need to hang on to. Jordus is probably thinking too much about the corner territory.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:24 pm
by topazg
Wow, this could get devastating quickly:
$$Bcm65 Continuation? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . X 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X 3 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . 5 4 0 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X 7 8 | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm75 Continuation? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X 4 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . 3 | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X 1 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O O 2 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O 8 7 X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:26 pm
by Dusk Eagle
For topazg:
As if.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:34 pm
by topazg
For Dusk Eagle:
Hahaha, can't stop a guy from dreaming
The purpose of such a sequence is really demonstrate the potential depth of the aji. In this rengo game it's never going to play out like that, but it demonstrates I think that 66 is probably the only move. It's fairly big in itself, it threatens to capture further (though small), it threatens to kill with a tenuki, and it clearly completely settled White.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:09 pm
by Phelan
Move tomorrow, want to think about this with a clear head.
I'll probably cut here. I think Jordus is expecting the atari below but that seems to allow black to still take sente, and seems not to leave any aji left for a corner invasion.
$$Bcm65 Move 65 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm69 Black group can now be attacked $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . a . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 2 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black's Right side group now has some vulnerability, and can be pressed. Maybe this cut is not the best way, but there's some aji there. I still want white to move first in the a area, I think whoever moves there first could decide the game. This is because I think white is slightly ahead now that the group is alive. I'll make a post later with my estimate of the game. I'd appreciate it if some observers also do the same, so I have a basis for comparison when the game finishes.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:46 pm
by daniel_the_smith
$$Bcm69 Move 69 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 1 . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm69 Move 69 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 1 . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It really feels like we have a lot of weaknesses. I don't really like our position. I almost played at a below because I wasn't sure we could live if the shown sequence occurred, but after some reading I'm 98% sure we can. I'd like to harass the white group some more but it would start to look like an attempt to kill and I think that would backfire as we have too many weaknesses. I was going to play at below but I decided that the move I played helps with our weakness in the corner, takes some points on the top, prevents white from getting that point, and it keeps the possibility open of trying for a kill later.
$$Bcm69 Move 69 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O a | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X 2 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . 3 | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . 5 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 6 . | $$ | . . . O . 1 . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm69 Move 69 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O a | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X 2 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . 3 | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . 5 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 6 . | $$ | . . . O . 1 . . . , X . X X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I kinda think black must have made mistakes to get in this position. I wonder if they were mine...?
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:07 pm
by Magicwand
this game is crazy!!! i think we are ahead but barely. and from what i saw sofar...no one knows what will happen next 3 moves later. i will just play my thing and not worry about winning.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:26 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Magicwand is probably saying something about how easy it will be to get into our corner now or how our side group should die. Hope I didn't miss something obvious...