[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X B . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first i was afraid he might play as such. later i read again..he has nothing.
My sealed move is c10...looks like a biig ko
Could someone please show that Ko? I just cannot find it ...
if black descends, white also descends, and black becomes weak. So I think black must counter-atari at c7, and white must capture, and black must atari at b9, and i don't think white has time to connect, so white must counter-atari as well and fight the ko.
Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:05 am
by Magicwand
professional comment is good. i am sure observers will learn from professional's comment. thx.
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . B X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 O 2 7 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . B X O 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . a b O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:23 am
by SpongeBob
quantumf wrote:
if black descends, white also descends, and black becomes weak. So I think black must counter-atari at c7, and white must capture, and black must atari at b9, and i don't think white has time to connect, so white must counter-atari as well and fight the ko.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] GN[move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0]DT[2010-06-06]PC[http://lifein19x19.com/]CR[cj]AW[cb][dc][ed][fd][dh][cj][dk][cl][il][ql][jm][dn][in][rn][bo][go][ho][ro][cp][qp][bq][gq][nq][qq][pr][qr]AB[cc][cd][pd][de][ee][fe][ck][dl][el][ll][fm][gn][jn][kn][qn][fo][no][qo][ep][jp][pp][cq][dq][oq][pq][or]C[Diagram from http://lifein19x19.com/
Just for to make it more explicit, I have put it here into Eidogo. Notice that if White cannot fight the Ko because he does not have the threats, he can also connect (like shown). Well, now Magicwand played something else, anyway ...
Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:39 am
by Magicwand
before the professional comment i will make some comment.
his invasion looked not right. what should he have played??? i dont know.. as i explained earlier variation 3-3 will yield better result than actual game. i dont think 3-3 is optimal either..
anyway..he played 1 as below then he should have played as below. although it is not much different i think below variation is little better than actual game.
i wasnt sure if i could hanne as below. i didnt like his probe at 2. i was happy when he didnt see that probe. after that i felt i gained some points and i am ahead.
what he played below is so~~ wrong. he has a weak group and he play such move. that is so wrong...goes against the fundamentals of go. remember.. you can not overplay and try to makeup the points... it will work against weaker players not at my level.
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:00 am
by Magicwand
final comment:
if i had to play this move again i wouldnt play as i did. since i am ahead..i didnt have to hanne. below variation would be plenty and give him no chance to comeback. i regret my hanne. it gave him what he wanted..a chance.
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------