[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 9 0 . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Le sigh, really not feeling Go right now (did the stupid thing of starting too many OGS games ... again, and now rushing all my moves through burnout - but not wanting to have games sitting there as my move). Does anyone else do this regularly?
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:31 pm
by hyperpape
Topazg wrote:
Le sigh, really not feeling Go right now (did the stupid thing of starting too many OGS games ... again, and now rushing all my moves through burnout - but not wanting to have games sitting there as my move). Does anyone else do this regularly?
Yes. Then I alternate between playing too quickly, and stalling until the last minute, then usually playing too quickly then.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:58 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
topazg wrote:
$$Wcm61 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 9 0 . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:11 pm
by skydyr
topazg:
topazg wrote:Le sigh, really not feeling Go right now (did the stupid thing of starting too many OGS games ... again, and now rushing all my moves through burnout - but not wanting to have games sitting there as my move). Does anyone else do this regularly?
Yo.
Seriously, I am not sure that turn based servers are all that good for me, because I probably play faster than I do playing in realtime.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:11 pm
by topazg
@Joaz:
Yeah, I considered that and the contact one above it. I decided against it because all I seem to do is put White's move on the perfect disrupting shape point, and it doesn't really help me vis-a-vis invading the left side. He already has enough aji there, so I'd rather just get thick and gain influence towards the right middle. Now I have the clamp and all the good local followups, and no bad aji to talk of. I'm hoping it's honte rather than slow, but as always, that's down to lines of reading that go beyond my event horizon.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:14 pm
by Magicwand
O17 knight approach
$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
hum.... my assessment: points wise i am little behind but my influence will generate more than my point defict. he connected middle group but still its life is unknown and possible to attack. all my groups are solid exception of left side still has weak points but i have plans for that which i will discuss later.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:00 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . 2 . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . 2 . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've wanted to aim at some of the defects he left with S12, so I'm hoping this line is a good way of doing things - this could turn into an interesting fight.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:04 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . 3 2 . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 5 6 . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . 3 2 . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have never seen this move by a dan player before, even in hamete moves on this joseki. Maybe I'm in for a nasty surprise, but as I can't see it, I'm not backing down.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:51 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 5 6 . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . 3 2 9 X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 5 6 . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . 3 2 9 X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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i remember when i was around 1d level... playing for money in kiwon. High dans play such tricks on me and drove me crazy. i didnt know what i did wrong and had no answer. I memorized all joseki variation but they didnt have answer for that move.