[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . B O O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't say that this is clearly better than M13, but it is more thematic. Also, I do not want to encourage white to build strength near my Q14/16/18 framework.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:08 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O O O X . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . B O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now that MW has found a way to defend everything, it is territory-grabbing time for both of us. If I read it right, this tesuji allows me to make territory on the left while he gets his on the top. When the smoke clears, he will have 30-45 points up top ( depending on how willing he is to take sente defending it ). I'll have 20 in the upper right with possibilites for modest expansion, and about 20 on the left with excellent possibilities for growth. So about half of the board will be settled, the score will be roughly even, and he will be tapped out. Any further points that he gets will be starting from scratch in an area where I will have far greater influence.
The immediate problem is how to extract my invading stones without allowing him a worst counter-invasion. Relying on natural play stumbles into this:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . 4 . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . 2 1 X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 5 3 O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . B . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Huh? He's going to let me in? When I analyzed this, I took for granted that he would defend in one way or another. One of us has a severe misunderstanding of what is going on here. I fear it may be me.
Oh, well. It is too late to change my mind now. There is little to do but eat the cheese.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:17 am
by Joaz Banbeck
In another thread...
Magicwand wrote:
daal wrote:Just out of curiosity - do you think we can learn nothing from your malkovitch comments?
i believe that book should have higher standard than some stronger player giving comments. i would like to say and comment more on my game... but go is so hard that i am not sure what i am thinking is true. that is one of the reason why i save comments for what i know for sure...
You don't have write what is true: just write what you are thinking.
Observers like Daal would like to know how a 4D decides on a move, even if the result is not what a pro would play. Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:04 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . W X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . W X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he has weakpoint at 'a' to worry about... 'b' would be my sente when i get to it.... but i dont think it is time yet. 'c' would be big later after i get my influence in the middle because that big dragon will have no eye.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . W X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . X O . . X . . . . b X . . . | $$ | . . . X a . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O c . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . W X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . X O . . X . . . . b X . . . | $$ | . . . X a . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O c . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
lesson: Probe is necessary for you to get strong but it is very dangerous when you do it wrong. always think about how your opponent might answer before you probe..
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:08 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . B X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . B X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If there is a trap, I still don't see it. It is touch and go in some lines, but I always come out ok. The B3-B4 exchange seems to make it simpler for me. Either he protects with B2 in gote, or I have a spare eye with B2 just when I need it. And I may, because he can split me. But if he does split me, either his corner dies, or my F stones connect to K12 and his cutting stones are eyeless.
A word or two about goals:
In the short term, my goal is to invade as far as I can without getting hurt for it.
Medium range goal is either to connect D15 and K12 something like this:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . B . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . B . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | W O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:34 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
This is three moves in a row in which I am totally befuddled by my opponent's moves.
It is tax time ( 31 days past the end of the year ) so I am going to be distracted for a few days calculating how much of my - and my employees' - hard earned money has to be given to various government agencies. I'll post here again on February 1st or 2nd.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:07 pm
by EdLee
Magicwand wrote:I have no idea what my opponent is thinking.
Joaz Banbeck wrote:This is three moves in a row in which I am totally befuddled by my opponent's moves.