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Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 4:57 pm
by Unusedname
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . W X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this move first is better.

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O . 6 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . 5 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Therefore black would need a different 5

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O . 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . 7 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 8 . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and then I can come out.

Therefore I do not think black can cut with 3

so

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O 4 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X 3 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if black plays 3 here he commits to giving away the corner.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:06 am
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X B . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:14 am
by Unusedname
Sup dude. Welcome back

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O W . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thankfully I put a spoiler in my previous move (And I suppose every move I played.) and therefore know that i thought this would be a good move!
So I'll play it.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:09 pm
by hailthorn011
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X X B X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:55 pm
by Unusedname
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . O O W . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the corner should be dead now settling my group and still leaving separation aji with my other white stones.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:33 pm
by hailthorn011
Hm, yeah, I definitely read this wrong. I'm going to go ahead and resign. Thanks for the game. :D

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:44 pm
by The Intrepid
There's still plenty of play left in the position, as far as I can see. I'd definitely play on here.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . 1 O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oh, well. Good game! :)

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:47 pm
by hailthorn011
The Intrepid wrote:There's still plenty of play left in the position, as far as I can see. I'd definitely play on here.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . O O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . 1 O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oh, well. Good game! :)


YEah, that's what I wanted to do, but then I thought maybe surrendering the corner like that was too big of a loss.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:53 pm
by The Intrepid
My motto is "never give up, never surrender," so maybe I'm not the most objective person about such things, but, yeah, I don't think the game was lost, yet.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:52 pm
by Unusedname
I thought you might try something like intrepid suggested or maybe push the corner our I wasn't sure but it looked like there was some bad aji.
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