Sorry about the long wait graemy (and observers), I was gone a bunch recently and forgot about the game . I'll be sure to let you know next time I need a short break or something.
$$Wcm66 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X B . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X 1 . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm66 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X B . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X 1 . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
At one point I actually read through quite a lot for this move, one would hope given how long I've taken. I don't remember all my sequences, but from what I recall this is locally fine. I'm not too concerned with the peep under my tiger's mouth yet, and I think I need the extra strength in the area to make this okay.
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:52 pm
by graemy
Haha, it's fine, I was worried O:
$$Wcm66 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm66 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's cut, he didn't defend there, so why not? It looks like it could be fun. My stone in the lower left isn't completely dead and has aji. Maybe I can kill in the lower right? Probably he will live.
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:28 pm
by uriel
$$Wcm68 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm68 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is probably crazy to play :I but it's fun
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:05 pm
by uriel
Sorry it's taking me so long, I'm away from home again for a couple days and I want to take the time to read this move out. I may not post until Sunday
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:39 pm
by graemy
Take as long as you need. It's alright.
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:44 pm
by uriel
$$Wcm70 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . 1 . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm70 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm gonna try and be a little aggressive here, maybe I can make him run and then try to make some gain that way. If he just responds, he may die... it's complicated.
$$Wcm70 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B W . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm72 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . a . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . 2 O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . 5 . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . B O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I'm gonna play like this and see what I can do with the marked stone. Although, I worry about the marked white stone, so I may just play at 1 to take it. I think moving the marked black stone first could be better. We'll see.
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:23 am
by uriel
$$Wcm74 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . B O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . . . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm76 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . 1 . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, here we are. Black has sente again, time to see where graemy will play.
$$Wcm76 Captures: B=0 W=0\n\n I expect one of the following. Taking the corner immediately would be quite a pain for me,\n and given how rarely we've played tenuki so far that's my hunch. Unless I've misread it,\n black could take the corner without too much trouble. Of the two approaches to the top left I expect b,\n since I can undercut any potential moyo on the top. Then again, perhaps graemy will protect his cut... although so far that seems against what I've seen so far. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . c . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . d . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . 1 . . O , X . . | $$ | . . a . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm76 Captures: B=0 W=0\n\n I expect one of the following. Taking the corner immediately would be quite a pain for me,\n and given how rarely we've played tenuki so far that's my hunch. Unless I've misread it,\n black could take the corner without too much trouble. Of the two approaches to the top left I expect b,\n since I can undercut any potential moyo on the top. Then again, perhaps graemy will protect his cut... although so far that seems against what I've seen so far. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . c . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . d . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . 1 . . O , X . . | $$ | . . a . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:28 am
by Aphelion
Strange that Uriel didn't consider this? This looks crushing to me:
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[go]$$Wcm76 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . a . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I need to be careful of a counter attack with the marked white stone, but I think that he is too weak to do something with it for now. He'll probably peep at a and take care of his stones in some way. His corner is still open, so I still have that. I think this fight will benefit me more than him.
. I'll be sure to let you know next time I need a short break or something.
at all, now I might be lucky to live here.