[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O 5 . X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 6 . 9 . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 5 X O 1 8 X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 6 . 9 . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 5 X O 1 8 X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I can get out and then his stones are cut off in an area that is dominated by white stones. I should be able to make some profit from that.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 3 X O 1 . X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 3 X O 1 . X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
More peaceful variation with potential for a ko, but I can get profit without the ko too.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:41 am
by Redundant
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$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O O 6 X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O O 6 X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm interested in what his follow up for this is. He's made himself short on liberties. Right now the ladder works. I'm fairly certain that after his next move, which will save his two stones. I can threaten to capture the L4 stones or the J3 stone.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:40 am
by Zwergesel
$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . 7 . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X . . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O . X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 8 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He can have this empty triangle. I'll follow the trigger, then live with my stones. His empty triangle will be short on liberties, so I can get forcing moves there. I'm not going to die (I'll just keep telling myself that ...) I'm looking at attaching at H7.
Trigger:
$$Bcm Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 4 X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 1 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X 3 2 7 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoners: W=2, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O 4 X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O 1 O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O X 3 2 7 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Good so far. Since he gave me the trigger I don't think he saw a way to catch my 3 stones, so he's either going to sacrifice his separated group now or he'll try to live with them. There's still a lot of aji, so I'm curious what he will do next.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:51 pm
by Redundant
$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I sacrificed there in order to keep my eyeshape on the bottom. Whether or not it worked ... I don't feel like reading that out. I need to overplay now, as I'm behind on the board.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:02 pm
by Loons
Redundant:
Do you regret 63, considering how the game has evolved ? To me it seemed a little incongruous with 55.
Also, it's never time to overplay
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:12 pm
by Redundant
Loons:
I regret nothing! Actually, I totally forgot about the connection issues. However, this does make a giant mess out of everything, which is what I want, given that I'm behind (as of that count I did a while back).
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:25 am
by Zwergesel
$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Can he live with these stones? I hope not! Anyway, I want to take care of my three weak stones first, because the more moves he gets on the left, the more trouble he can cause to them:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . 8 6 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O B . 5 4 . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 3 2 . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . 8 6 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O B . 5 4 . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 3 2 . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
An attack of some sorts is forming.
Since I think that his last move doesn't need a local answer immediately, the one-point jump from my weak stones feels like the best response possible. If he hanes next, I can still extend.
Let's do a quick count:
$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . w . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O w . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . w . w . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O b . . . . . | $$ | b b X . w . . . O O O . . b . . . . . | $$ | . . . . w . . . . . w . . . b X b b b | $$ | w w O O . . . . . , w . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O w | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . b . w w | $$ | . X . X X O O O . b . . . . . b . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . w . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O w . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . w . w . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O b . . . . . | $$ | b b X . w . . . O O O . . b . . . . . | $$ | . . . . w . . . . . w . . . b X b b b | $$ | w w O O . . . . . , w . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O w | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . b . w w | $$ | . X . X X O O O . b . . . . . b . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Assuming I can catch his group I count around 100 points + komi for white and around 90 for black, so if I win this fight I'm ahead by around 15+ points. I estimate this fight to be worth around 30-35 points, maybe more, so it's really crucial to kill these stones now.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:38 am
by Redundant
$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He's trying for the kill. This is going to be harder than he thinks (... I hope.)
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:05 am
by Zwergesel
Time flies like an arrow. I can't believe it has already been 17 days since my last move here Sorry once again! (And probably not for the last time either )
$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 O X . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 O X . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . | $$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . | $$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . | $$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Yeah, so this is pretty straightforward. Letting him capture this stone makes it too easy for him to live...
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:47 pm
by Redundant
I'm gonna go with a resign here. I played too slowly in the fuseki, and botched the bottom right corner a bit. I don't feel like I'll be able to live happily here.
Thanks for the game! If you ever want another, I'm up for it.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:41 pm
by Magicwand
i dont think black is losing. it is pretty hard to cleanly kill black group so i am thinking black is ahead.
my 2 cents: one way to get stronger is not to give up too early.
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:23 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Redundant wrote:I'm gonna go with a resign here. ...
What???? You are resigning???????
This is still a wide open game. White has all of his eggs in one basket. If I were offered the opportunity to play either side, I think I would choose black. If you can invade white's central area, he loses.
Plead temporary insanity, retract your resignation, and play L8. ( Moves like L6 and G14 are interesting also )
Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:54 am
by Redundant
The big issue for me with this game is motivation. For some reason, I don't have much gumption to work out variations and find new moves.
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