Life In 19x19

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:49 am**

Ades-AKANE44111-2.sgf: (5.92 KiB) Downloaded 482 times

after playing couple games after a long brake
this is the game that interest me the most.. as my rank strangely boost up
so would someone analyze/review the game for me? i hope i got good lesson from this game

Ades/Me (W) vs (B)

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:14 am**

The game was Ades, W, 11k, versus AKANE44111, B, 12k.

Your username here is glyps, which is neither. 11k and 12k are very close.

Were you Ades ? You want to think about from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective: we don't know whether you were B or W.
Just like we learn from Go, you want to also think from the other person's perspective.

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:25 am**

EdLee wrote:The game was Ades, W, 11k, versus AKANE44111, B, 12k.

Your username here is glyps, which is neither. 11k and 12k are very close.

Were you Ades ?

yes, i changed my game id, sorry for not adding that info earlier

thanks for the review btw, im very grateful :bow:

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:29 am**

Hi glyps, Ades,

When you 'quote' a post, you don't need to include the entire SGF.

Again: think from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective.

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:30 am**

Hi glyps, Ades,

You're welcome. You may want to use the Preview button to preview your post before you Submit --
take a look at your post, look at it from the audience's perspective. (Then you probably would not include the SGF.

)

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:32 am**

EdLee wrote:Hi glyps, Ades,

When you 'quote' a post, you don't need to include the entire SGF.

Again: think from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective.

ah yea, that was my mistake, i'll remove it by now

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:37 am**

Are you white or black in the game?

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:44 am**

skydyr wrote:Are you white or black in the game?

im white.. i already write it out there just now

"Ades/Me (W) vs (B)"

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:24 am**

@edLee
on move 19 : "Wrong shape. This allows W to connect under with (a). See var."

As this was not direcly obvious to see at my level (or at least for me :oops:

), I tryied to prove that for myself and came with the following sequence. Are they correct or am I missing something ?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Wrong shape, so W can connect $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W B shape is stronger, W can't connect. $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W try 2 - W still can't connect $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:49 am**

Hi oca, Let's look at all 3 of your variations, one by one.

oca wrote:
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

If W ataris with :w5:

in your variation, did you consider :b6:

and

?
Notice the :wc:

string is suddenly down to only 2 liberties !

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Can you find a better local move than your :w5:

atari ?

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:54 am**

Hi oca,

In your second variation, both :b4:

and

are mistakes.
- Can you find the correct move for :b4:

?
- Given your wrong :b4:

, find a better reply for W:

oca wrote:
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:06 am**

Hi oca,

Your third variation is interesting. Did you consider if W resists with :w7:

at (a) ?
Locally, it does look terrible for W. But, globally, we need to look at the :bc:

group.
Can you find another move for :b4:

?

oca wrote:
$$W try 2
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X B X . a . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W try 2 $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X B X . a . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:27 am**

EdLee wrote:...
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Can you find a better local move than your atari ?

I will try my previous :w5:

at

instead of (a)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W WHITE MUST CONNECT - TRY 2 $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:12 am**

Hi oca,

oca wrote:I will try my previous at instead of (a)
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Did you consider the very simple connect :w1:

?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:14 am**

EdLee wrote:Did you consider the very simple connect ?

houps... looks like I'm still overthinking ;-)

...

EdLee wrote:In your second variation, both and are mistakes.
- Can you find the correct move for ?

I will play that :

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee wrote:Given your wrong , find a better reply for W:

I will play :w5:

... I hesitated with (a) but :wc:

seems more in danger for me than the bottom right corner.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 5 O W O X 3 O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 a . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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