Page 1 of 1

Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:23 am
by handa711
Image

I couldn't. Can you?

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:31 am
by RBerenguel
j2?

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:37 am
by handa711
RBerenguel wrote:
j2?
J3.

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:41 am
by RBerenguel
handa711 wrote:
RBerenguel wrote:
j2?
J3.
Right, missed this one. Very neat counter for it. I have another candidate moves, but I'd rather think them more thoroughly :)

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:57 am
by HermanHiddema
L2?

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:02 am
by RBerenguel
HermanHiddema wrote:
L2?
I don't see how it works, though (considered it)

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:12 am
by handa711
HermanHiddema wrote:
L2?
L2 J3.

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:44 am
by HermanHiddema
handa711 wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
L2?
L2 J3.
K1

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:44 am
by handa711
HermanHiddema wrote:
handa711 wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
L2?
L2 J3.
K1
K4

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:54 am
by RBerenguel
J2 and lives or crawls second line?

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:57 am
by Uberdude
Then j2 and it's either a ko if white ataris on the outside or if connect black extends on the 2nd line at m2 and may or may not get a 2nd eye depending on if white blocks the centre and makes him crawl along the 2nd line for ages which should eventually get an eye, or denies the eye and drives him out to the centre. For a tsumego that probably counts as success, in a game not so clear...

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:37 am
by logan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc :b7: @ K3, :w10: @ K2
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X 8 X 4 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . 2 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X 5 O 1 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 9 . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X O . O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O 3 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O X . X X O X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X 6 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . 2 X O . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X 4 O 1 7 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . 5 3 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O . O . O 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X O O X X X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X X O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And some side sequence.

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:47 am
by HermanHiddema
@logan: Black can also jump with :b9: in the third diagram. Presumably he will be able to make an eye once he reaches the corner.

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:14 pm
by handa711
logan wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O . O . O 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X O O X X X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X X O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What if w P2 now?

Re: Black to play. How to live?

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:15 pm
by logan
HermanHiddema wrote:@logan: Black can also jump with :b9: in the third diagram. Presumably he will be able to make an eye once he reaches the corner.
Yes, however you'd like to live on the side.