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So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:07 pm
by macelee
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In the NHK Cup
Full game record:
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/43238
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:51 pm
by DrStraw
That does not so much like an opening as a middle game started too early.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:13 pm
by xed_over
So, its sorta like
Ohashi Hirofumi's Black Hole, only twisted slightly
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:28 pm
by Bill Spight
It's rotating and growing larger.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:19 pm
by judicata
Awesome.
The result? B+3.5
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:32 pm
by illluck
This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:39 pm
by xed_over
illluck wrote:This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710
Ohashi Hirofumi mentioned Cho U (I think) in his video when he was talking about the Black Hole
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm
by xed_over
the whole game record from Mr Kin's site (for those without go4go access -- thanks Mace Lee for the find)
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EV[62nd NHK Cup 2nd round]
WR[9d]
PW[Yamashiro Hiroshi]
FF[3]
SZ[19]
GM[1]
KM[6.5]
RE[B+3.5]
PB[So Yokoku]
DT[2014-08-04]
BR[8d]
;B[og];W[dp];B[mo];W[dd];B[ge];W[df];B[em];W[gq];B[gc];W[oc];B[qc]
;W[oe];B[qf];W[kc];B[ch];W[eg];B[db];W[di];B[cj];W[qp];B[qn];W[op]
;B[mq];W[nq];B[rp];W[rq];B[nr];W[on];B[pl];W[or];B[qo];W[pq];B[np]
;W[no];B[oq];W[qe];B[re];W[nq];B[mp];W[pf];B[qg];W[pg];B[ph];W[oh]
;B[pi];W[oi];B[oj];W[ng];B[nj];W[cc];B[jb];W[jc];B[ic];W[id];B[kb]
;W[lc];B[hd];W[ib];B[hc];W[lb];B[po];W[ro];B[oo];W[rn];B[pp];W[qq]
;B[cq];W[dq];B[cp];W[do];B[bn];W[dm];B[dj];W[cr];B[br];W[dr];B[cb]
;W[cg];B[bm];W[qm];B[oq];W[jq];B[bh];W[el];B[fj];W[bg];B[bc];W[bd]
;B[ab];W[ec];B[eb];W[pm];B[rl];W[ql];B[qk];W[rm];B[ee];W[gg];B[fh]
;W[ei];B[fl];W[dl];B[ej];W[fi];B[pd];W[pe];B[rd];W[pk];B[qj];W[ie]
;B[od];W[nd];B[ne];W[md];B[ig];W[of];B[lg];W[ol];B[gh];W[gi];B[hh]
;W[hi];B[fg];W[hk];B[gm];W[pj];B[sk];W[li];B[ji];W[gk];B[fk];W[jj]
;B[kj];W[ki];B[jk];W[ij];B[jh];W[kk];B[ni];W[lj];B[nh];W[mg];B[og]
;W[pb];B[jr];W[iq];B[kr];W[hb];B[gb];W[ka];B[ir];W[hr];B[hp];W[hq]
;B[ke];W[le];B[lf];W[mf];B[jf];W[rb];B[qb];W[qa];B[jd];W[kd];B[je]
;W[bs];B[en];W[co];B[bo];W[cm];B[ck];W[ef];B[ar];W[ff];B[gf];W[fe]
;B[dc];W[cd];B[ed];W[fd];B[fc];W[oh];B[pr];W[qr];B[os];W[rc];B[qd]
;W[sc];B[nn];W[im];B[go];W[fp];B[km];W[kl];B[jm];W[jl];B[kq];W[jo]
;B[lm];W[fo];B[gn];W[ko];B[eo];W[ep];B[in];W[hm];B[ad];W[ae];B[ac]
;W[de];B[hs];W[gs];B[is];W[io];B[hn];W[fr];B[dh];W[eh];B[af];W[be]
;B[ag];W[ci];B[bi];W[pc];B[rf];W[sd];B[se];W[rh];B[qh];W[ri];B[ok]
;W[pl];B[qi];W[ml];B[mm];W[sm];B[oi];W[og];B[nl];W[bf];B[ah];W[mk]
;B[nk];W[ec];B[ll];W[lk];B[ha];W[ja];B[ii];W[ed];B[hl];W[il];B[gl]
;W[qs];B[gj];W[ps];B[or];W[fn];B[fm];W[cl];B[bl];W[kh];B[kg];W[lp]
;B[lo];W[kp];B[hj];W[ik];B[ip];W[lq];B[lr];W[jp];B[kn];W[sl];B[rk]
;W[ia];B[ga];W[mh];B[nm])
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:23 pm
by Fedya
I'd just like to get reasonable results from orthodox play. Seeing players get good results from moves that look like they make no sense is extremely frustrtaing.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:54 pm
by Uberdude
If I had forsaken other career/education opportunities and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of hours studying Go to become a professional I would be extremely frustrated if I wasn't able to do things an amateur who only spent a few hours a week on Go could.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:56 pm
by jeromie
Thanks for sharing this game! It makes me happy to think that the final chapter on good go play might not be written, though I'm doubtful this sort of play would hold up in longer games. Still, if there were no one willing to experiment we might miss out on some potentially beautiful games.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:49 am
by ez4u
I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.
Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:12 am
by Cassandra
I know a commentary by Ôhashi Hirofumi, who has played several of these "unusual" openings, in which he stated that "usually" -- maybe around move 80 or so -- the resulting POSITIONs look very much like "normal" ones, with the exception of only a very, very few stones.
I am quite sure that he referred to pro-pro-games.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:44 am
by xed_over
ez4u wrote:I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.
Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/nhk.htmlstill has last weeks game (9/7) up... but once they update it for this week (9/14), the commentator link will be:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/kai.jpg
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 pm
by snorri
I like that he ends up sacrificing
