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#243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:51 pm
by Loons
I lost a coin flip to myself, so I'll take white. I would prefer that we can use joseki dictionaries, databases, etc if we want to.
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:43 pm
by Violence
Sure, don't mind. There's no conceivable way to stop you from doing it either way, so I'm fine with it.
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:28 pm
by Loons
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:10 pm
by Violence
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:44 am
by Loons
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In the interest of full disclosure I did a database search here to find common options.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cWhite is trying to win using komi. I'm kind of liking 'd'.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:43 am
by Violence
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:16 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I'm breaking out the stash of gourmet popcorn.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:49 pm
by Loons
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:42 pm
by EdLee
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:19 am
by Violence
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cSo you know why this move is rare?
It's not because it's complex, but it's because people tend to follow a direction of play that dissuades people from playing stuff like this. When you see this move, it usually means something's gone wrong with your directional plans.
But there are people who play it anyways, and there are legitimate board setups for it, they're just in the minority.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cI didn't want to do this because I felt like 5 was a bit too close to the upper right, and I don't like the aji at the marked stone.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThis aji feels more managable to me, because if he plays the marked stone, I can attach on top and he can't connect under like he would if I made a tiger's mouth.
The reasoning here is really simplistic, but I mean, you have to make decisions somehow.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:28 am
by skydyr
Violence wrote: $$c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cIs this cool? You should be move number 12, I forgot how to change that in the code.
You can only have 10 numbered moves on the board, which are represented in the code by 1-9 and then 0. To pick which number the 1 in the code represents, add m## to the string at the top of the diagram code, like so:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm7 You can still put a normal label here.Edit: As a caveat, you can only have 2-digit numbers on the board, so after 99 it will go to 00 and then loop back to 1.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:31 am
by Violence
Ah, cool, thanks.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:53 am
by Joaz Banbeck
What should white do next?
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThe lower left is mostly resolved. There are appoach moves in the two upper corners, or a shimari in the lower right.
There are also three sides to consider.
Following Yilun Yang's ranking of important moves ( From his 'Fundamental Principles of Go' ) in which he says that a shimari or an approach to a 3-4 are more important than an approach to a 4-4, the upper right is the least important of the three corners.
The sides are, to Yang, even lower in rank.
To it is a choice between the upper left and lower right. The upper side is the largest of the available sides, so I would go for the upper left.
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:43 pm
by skydyr
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
What should white do next?
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThe lower left is mostly resolved. There are appoach moves in the two upper corners, or a shimari in the lower right.
There are also three sides to consider.
Following Yilun Yang's ranking of important moves ( From his 'Fundamental Principles of Go' ) in which he says that a shimari or an approach to a 3-4 are more important than an approach to a 4-4, the upper right is the least important of the three corners.
The sides are, to Yang, even lower in rank.
To it is a choice between the upper left and lower right. The upper side is the largest of the available sides, so I would go for the upper left.
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:14 pm
by Loons
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And
or thereabouts is natural to interrupt black's framework development. I imagine Violence will play the usual pincer since this looks lacklustre for black:
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or thereabouts is natural to interrupt black's framework development. I imagine Violence will play the usual pincer since this looks lacklustre for black: