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Author:  Pippen [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:11 pm ]
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Recently I discovered that I like shows like "Lost" or "Walking Dead", shows where someone or a group is thrown out of normal life and need to survive, kind of "Lord of the Flies" stuff that shows how people do without any government in existential circumstances. Are there any other shows in that direction (past, present)?
Author:  Uberdude [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:42 pm ]
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I enjoyed the new Battlestar Gallactica series which follows the struggle for survival of the remaining humans after most are wipped out (set in space).
Author:  Aidoneus [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:10 pm ]
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:P ... ion_series

Then read about individual shows at imdb.com

If you are young, you might like the teen-age soap The Tribe (from New Zealand), which my wife was hooked on for some 260 episodes, or for more SF/Fantasy action Falling Skies (I believe still on TNT--I enjoyed the first season) in addition to Battlestar. If your taste runs toward non-alien shows along the lines of the SF-classic Canticle for Leibowitz, you might like Jeremiah or Jericho, though both series ended rather abruptly. And the miniseries The Stand, based on the book by Stephen King.

Matching Lost is difficult, though. For quirkiness, maybe take a look at The Prisoner, Carnivale, and Twin Peaks (a David Lynch series with a musical score that lulls me to sleep, but if you're into surrealism you might enjoy it for a sort of dated campiness).
Author:  RBerenguel [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:15 am ]
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Pippen wrote:
Recently I discovered that I like shows like "Lost" or "Walking Dead", shows where someone or a group is thrown out of normal life and need to survive, kind of "Lord of the Flies" stuff that shows how people do without any government in existential circumstances. Are there any other shows in that direction (past, present)?


Well, this happens every time the Doctor changes companions in Doctor Who (of course, the companion *usually* doesn't need to take care of its own life that much.) But hey, it's a classic ;)
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:00 am ]
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Also check out
The Fugitive ( 1963 )
The Prisoner ( 1967, already mentioned )
The Time Tunnel ( 1966 )
The Killing ( 2011, U.S. version )
The Andromeda Strain ( 1971 )
Invasion of the Body Snatchers ( 1978 version )
Author:  leichtloeslich [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:51 am ]
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Pippen wrote:
stuff that shows how people do without any government in existential circumstances

Many of the suggestions don't seem to have anything to do with this premise.

Maybe "Battle Royale" would be somewhat related to the premise. (Not sure whether the book or the movie is better, because I haven't read the book, but the movie has cute Japanese schoolgirls slaughter each other to classical music. Works for me(tm))

As a side note:
Ed Lee wrote:
Andromeda Strain

One of the worst novels I ever read.
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:41 am ]
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leichtloeslich wrote:
One of the worst novels I ever read.
I didn't read the book; what did you think of the movie ?
Author:  Aidoneus [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:50 am ]
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leichtloeslich wrote:
Pippen wrote:
stuff that shows how people do without any government in existential circumstances

Many of the suggestions don't seem to have anything to do with this premise


After the fall (or apparent fall) of organized government: The Tribe, Falling Skies, Jeremiah, Jericho. Even Battlestar Galactica fits this in as much as all but a few scattered survivors and a handful of ships remain after the cyclons (machines) rebel. (Personally, I found the botox, fish-eyed look of one of the lead actors creepy.)

Lost has some of that post-apocalypse vibe, though the existence of an external organization and its mystical elements makes it rather original, if not unique.
Author:  Violence [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:34 am ]
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If you enjoy manga, there are several series that I know of with that genre.

Biomeat: Nectar is one of my favorites.
Author:  RBerenguel [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:12 am ]
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leichtloeslich wrote:
Pippen wrote:
stuff that shows how people do without any government in existential circumstances

Many of the suggestions don't seem to have anything to do with this premise.

Maybe "Battle Royale" would be somewhat related to the premise. (Not sure whether the book or the movie is better, because I haven't read the book, but the movie has cute Japanese schoolgirls slaughter each other to classical music. Works for me(tm))

As a side note:
Ed Lee wrote:
Andromeda Strain

One of the worst novels I ever read.


I kind of liked it, in a blockbuster-ish kind of way. Like "hey, I'm a scientist and I'll go my way up a well while automated cannons shoot anesthesics!"
Author:  leichtloeslich [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:45 am ]
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Ed Lee wrote:
what did you think of the movie ?

I didn't even know there was a movie-adaptation before reading your post.

RBerenguel wrote:
I kind of liked it, in a blockbuster-ish kind of way. Like "hey, I'm a scientist and I'll go my way up a well while automated cannons shoot anesthesics!"

Yes, the non-sensical action sequences hinging on major plot-holes were entertaining to read, while at the same time I couldn't stop shaking my head.

Spoiler-alert:
Remember that they knew full well a nuclear explosion would be really bad, yet they somehow failed to turn off the nuclear self-destruct mechanism, which they already knew had a serious flaw?
I could foresee the inevitable action-sequence from there, and I was kind of annoyed by it. That stuff doesn't fly well with me.

And the ending was just a big "and they lived happily ever after" without any explanations. I was disappointed to say the least.
Author:  goTony [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:08 pm ]
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What about the classic "Lost in Space"????? Talk about life out of the ordinary trying to survive and get back home to earth... Warning the violence may be too much for people who have only viewed Walking Dead.
Author:  Pippen [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:57 pm ]
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It's really frustrating. Why not make a show where people get lost on an island without supernatural effects or people to survive after 90% of the people just disappeared? I think the inter-human problems could be drawn even better/deeper. Look at Star Trek - the original told the best stories, also in part because there was no Special Effects to impress and to distract.
Author:  Aidoneus [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:21 pm ]
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Pippen wrote:
It's really frustrating. Why not make a show where people get lost on an island without supernatural effects or people to survive after 90% of the people just disappeared? I think the inter-human problems could be drawn even better/deeper. Look at Star Trek - the original told the best stories, also in part because there was no Special Effects to impress and to distract.


Gilligan's Island :lol:

See Here on Gilligan's Island for social archetypes http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Humor/island.htm

And see here for Seven Deadly Sins archetypes http://www.gilligansisle.com/sins.html
Author:  Bantari [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:14 pm ]
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Pippen wrote:
It's really frustrating. Why not make a show where people get lost on an island without supernatural effects or people to survive after 90% of the people just disappeared? I think the inter-human problems could be drawn even better/deeper. Look at Star Trek - the original told the best stories, also in part because there was no Special Effects to impress and to distract.

The is the natural regression of the storyline in the media:
- In the old days, the most efficient way to make something people like watching was to have a good story.
- The interim period - just put in more explosions.
- These days - special effects rule!

The same can be said for general deterioration in acting.
Author:  Aidoneus [ Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:48 pm ]
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BTW, Bob Denver will always be Maynard G. Krebs for me!
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Author:  Pippen [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:21 pm ]
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Bantari wrote:
The is the natural regression of the storyline in the media:
- In the old days, the most efficient way to make something people like watching was to have a good story.
- The interim period - just put in more explosions.
- These days - special effects rule!

The same can be said for general deterioration in acting.


I agree. From our perspective it was a blessing not having those special effects potentials in the old days, because a good story and good actors had to make up for that - and often they did. And it's not only special effects. Watch an old show and a new one and you will recognise those nasty modern cutting frenzy.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:53 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Also check out
Invasion of the Body Snatchers ( 1978 version )


I preferred the 1956 version. In both movies there is a pivotal scene involving a dog. In the '78 version the movie took a cheap shot with special effects, but what made the scene so special in the '56 version was that it was so ordinary. :)

I also liked the 1993 version, Body Snatchers, because of the military angle.
Author:  EdLee [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:06 pm ]
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Hi Bill, I haven't seen the original 1956 version;
some day I hope to see it. I also haven't seen the 1978 version
for a long time; maybe another viewing will change my evaluations.
But I distinctly didn't like the 1993 version. :)
I remember I was disappointed with it, compared to the 1978 version.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:35 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Hi Bill, I haven't seen the original 1956 version;
some day I hope to see it. I also haven't seen the 1978 version
for a long time; maybe another viewing will change my evaluations.
But I distinctly didn't like the 1993 version. :)
I remember I was disappointed with it, compared to the 1978 version.


I saw the '56 version in a movie house in the '60s with some friends. I was the only one who liked it. ;) The dog scene was a big reason. I saw part of the '93 version while channel surfing one night, and when I realized what it was, I thought, How stupid! But later on, I saw it from the beginning because I like Meg Tilly. From the bit I had seen before, I was primed to accept it on its own terms, which are rather different from the other two, and I felt that it worked. :)
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