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Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:20 am
by Darsey
Hi.
I lost a game because I read so bad one sicho... It isn't new for me, I usually lose games because there are some figure as ladder. ANd I said that the ladder boycott my games because I lose sente to answer a false ladder-breaker or I play bad answer to ladder-breaker (I usually try no close sicho and try play in a wake of the breaker).
If I had a good english, I can comment more position where I lose because a wild sicho appreared. But I lose to read bad sicho, I make a lot of errors but the most important is with ladder.
I am not afraid, but I want be good when I fight which a some ladder.
This game is the last that I lost for my problem with reading sicho (althought I know that I go to fail, I wanted try it because when I see my fail, it was so later).
http://online-go.com/api/v1/games/1046555/sgf
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:26 am
by EdLee
Hi Darsey,
joseki is J17.
this cut is too early. Just B3.
B3.
B2.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:51 am
by Hushfield
Darsey wrote:... a wild sicho appreared.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:35 pm
by Darsey
Oh... thanks for show my errors.
I say "wild sicho appeared" thinking in pokémon
I was searching tsumegos and things to study:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?LadderProblemsAndExerciseshttp://senseis.xmp.net/?LongestLadderProblemBut, where can I find more?
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:38 pm
by Hushfield
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:50 pm
by Darsey
Oh, very thanks.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:08 pm
by logan
Maybe you'll enjoy this one:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you'd like more, please let me know.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:09 pm
by PeterHB
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:31 pm
by Darsey
logan wrote:Maybe you'll enjoy this one:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you'd like more, please let me know.
I dont know what to do...
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:01 pm
by Bill Spight
Here is another one.
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Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:08 am
by HermanHiddema
Noriyuki Nakayama's "
The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:46 am
by tchan001
HermanHiddema wrote:Noriyuki Nakayama's "
The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.
IMO I just don't picture
The Treasure Chest Enigma as having reached the same greatness as
Xuanxuan Qijing.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:16 am
by HermanHiddema
tchan001 wrote:HermanHiddema wrote:Noriyuki Nakayama's "
The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.
IMO I just don't picture
The Treasure Chest Enigma as having reached the same greatness as
Xuanxuan Qijing.
That is another book I'd put in the same category. I enjoyed John Fairbairn's e-Book version very much. I'd find it hard to say which is better. They are different, but both are certainly among the greatest go books ever published.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:56 pm
by Abyssinica
logan wrote:Maybe you'll enjoy this one:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you'd like more, please let me know.
This problem is actually realatibely simple; you should still count the number of times you had to restart. I had one at every star point, but since the ladder was unbranching, I never had to restart from the beginning.
Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:57 am
by Loons
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- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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Fairbairn, Gateway to All Marvels, problem 4: Attracting the dragon out of the water.