$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O 1 O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O 1 O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Any protective plays needed?
If so, where?
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:59 pm
by RBerenguel
the cut around b6 will need eventually
Edit:
and for white, there's almost something at L9
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:08 pm
by ez4u
Presumably when White connected at 224 in the game both sides had already read out that Black can win the ko below and therefore does not have to connect. The gap between that and my measly skills is so depressing that I can't go any further. Merry Christmas? Bah humbug I say!
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O . O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O . O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:14 pm
by RBerenguel
ez4u wrote:
Presumably when White connected at 224 in the game both sides had already read out that Black can win the ko below and therefore does not have to connect. The gap between that and my measly skills is so depressing that I can't go any further. Merry Christmas? Bah humbug I say!
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O . O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O . O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I didn't take into account the ko count (hey, I'm just SDK) but with all dame filled it seems even-ish, or better for W
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:13 am
by emeraldemon
This one doesn't even need the dame to be filled I think, unless black is willing to fight the ko. With that bent 4 in the upper right the ko is probably bad for black.
$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 2 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . 5 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . 4 X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 2 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . 5 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . 4 X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This dame is also sente:
$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X 3 6 7 . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X 4 X 5 . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O 1 X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X 3 6 7 . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X 4 X 5 . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O 1 X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I couldn't find any way for black to get anything in the middle.
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:52 am
by RBerenguel
emeraldemon wrote:
This one doesn't even need the dame to be filled I think, unless black is willing to fight the ko. With that bent 4 in the upper right the ko is probably bad for black.
$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 2 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . 5 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . 4 X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 2 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . 5 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . 4 X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This dame is also sente:
$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X 3 6 7 . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X 4 X 5 . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O 1 X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm224 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X 3 6 7 . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X 4 X 5 . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O 1 X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I couldn't find any way for black to get anything in the middle.
there's nothing in the middle, but there's a lot of aji there with the 3 stones at K9. But doesn't seem to work at all.
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:52 am
by Bill Spight
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 3 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 3 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Dave Sigaty nailed the key point, which is the threat of this ko. (This was a kyu-kyu game, and White missed the opportunity to play earlier.) A protective play in this corner is urgent.
$$Wc Ko variation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 7 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | 5 6 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | 4 . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Ko variation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X . . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X 7 X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | 1 2 X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | 5 6 X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | 4 . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X B . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . B X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . X . O O X . . . . . X O . X . | $$ | . . X X X O O X X . X B . . X O O O X | $$ | . . X O O O . X X X O X X X X X O O . | $$ | . . X O O X X X O O O O O O X , X O O | $$ | . . . X O O O O . . . X O . O X X X . | $$ | X X X X X O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X X X . X | $$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . O X . O O X . | $$ | O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . O X X | $$ | O X X X O O . . . , . . . . . , . O X | $$ | X . X O O X O O . . . O . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X X O X X X O O O X O O . . O . O | $$ | . . X O . O X X X X X X X X O . . . . | $$ | . B X O . . O X X O X . . X O O X O O | $$ | . X O O . O . O O O O X X O . . O O X | $$ | . . X O . O X O . O O X O O O O X X X | $$ | . . X O O . O . O . O X X O X X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . O . O X X . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black needs to make two protective plays. (There are other local points that also work.)
I also did not find any need for White to protect in the center.
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:30 am
by ez4u
Bill Spight wrote:...This was a kyu-kyu game...
WHAT!!! Our Bill Spight offering a kyu-kyu game with both sides missing the point rather than some obscure 18th century classic with both sides reading the ending out perfectly? What next?!
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:19 am
by Bill Spight
Well, actually, Brother Dave, if I did write a book called Dame Filling for Dummies, it would have a lot of DDK games. Heck, when I was a 4 kyu and started studying pro games, I was frequently unable to fill the dame correctly and get the same result as the game record said.
Re: Dame filling for dummies #2
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:35 pm
by CDavis7M
Bill Spight wrote:Heck, when I was a 4 kyu and started studying pro games, I was frequently unable to fill the dame correctly and get the same result as the game record said.
This is why I found this post. Glad to know that the issue is within myself. Maybe I'll figure it out one day.
earlier.) A protective play in this corner is urgent.
