How would black survive if white playes 'a' now? It took me quite a while to find out.
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Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:28 pm
by jdl
This is as close as I can come to something that looks like it might work. If white plays 7 black can play 6.
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Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:31 pm
by DrStraw
How about this?
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Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:59 pm
by Fedya
Just a guess, but it involves the aji of the cut at E9?
Edit: The intervening posts that came in while I was trying to figure this out show me just how woeful my reading skills are.
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:19 pm
by ez4u
I am thinking something like below.
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White is short of liberties and can't prevent Black from connecting under on the left side. If she tries...
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Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:10 pm
by Darrell
DrStraw wrote:How about this?
DrStraw wrote:
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$$ | X X . X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 1 X X O X X 5 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O 8 . 2 3 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . 0 6 9 4 7 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . a . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O O O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 1 X X O X X 5 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O 8 . 2 3 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . 0 6 9 4 7 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . a . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Where does this last one lead to? After W captures, B plays a
This does not work because W would capture with 1 then gets to play a first
$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O O O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X X O X X 5 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O 8 . 2 3 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 1 0 6 9 4 7 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . a . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O O O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X X O X X 5 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O 8 . 2 3 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 1 0 6 9 4 7 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . a . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:20 pm
by Kirby
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , 0 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 9 X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . 8 . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , 0 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 9 X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . 8 . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , O O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X X X O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 1 . 5 . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , O O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X X X O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 1 . 5 . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
OR
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , 0 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 9 X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . 8 . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , 0 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O 9 X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . 8 . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , O O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X X X O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X W 9 W 1 2 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 3 . . . 7 8 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X 4 5 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , O O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X X X O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X W 9 W 1 2 O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 3 . . . 7 8 . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X 4 5 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:47 pm
by macelee
So many attempts! Good to see you are actually interested in this sort of post. Let's first simplify the problem.
Following is taken from ez4u's answer, which is the correct sequence if white attempts to kill this group.
$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O 3 X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X 4 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . 1 5 O X . X . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 2 X X . X . O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O 3 X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X 4 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . 1 5 O X . X . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 2 X X . X . O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now the problem becomes:
$$Bmc black to survive
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X b X a O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O c . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . @ X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bmc black to survive
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X b X a O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O c . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . @ X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Next black most certainly would play 'a' instead of 'b'. If swapping these two, white would have another way home at 'c' so black is hopeless. So what's next? Note that the aji of the marked stone must be exploited.
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:03 pm
by Kirby
I see. My move 7 wasn't sente. I don't know why I misread that it was.
Anyway, macelee, you're right: these types of posts are interesting, and I'd be happy to see more of them in the future.
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:19 pm
by macelee
Kirby wrote:I see. My move 7 wasn't sente. I don't know why I misread that it was.
Anyway, macelee, you're right: these types of posts are interesting, and I'd be happy to see more of them in the future.
Well done. Indeed in Kirby's original answer did not work, as show below:
$$BmC There is no way for black to go home
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 8 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$BmC There is no way for black to go home
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O . X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . W 2 O X . X 5 6 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X 1 X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . X 7 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 8 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:42 am
by macelee
Now the solution:
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X 1 2 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O , 6 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 8 a O O O 5 X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 9 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X 1 2 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O , 6 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 8 a O O O 5 X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 9 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O , O O 1 2 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | @ . O O O X X 3 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | 4 X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O , O O 1 2 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | @ . O O O X X 3 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | 4 X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
If whites plays cut, cannot be saved because of short of liberty. Note in the previous diagram, can separate at 'a' too, but that does not affect the end result.
Re: life & death from a pro game
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:47 am
by ez4u
macelee wrote:Now the solution:
$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X 1 2 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O , 6 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 8 a O O O 5 X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 9 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X 1 2 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X 4 X 3 O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O , 6 O . . O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 8 a O O O 5 X . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O 9 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O , O O 1 2 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | @ . O O O X X 3 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | 4 X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wm
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O , O O 1 2 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | @ . O O O X X 3 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | 4 X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
If whites plays cut, cannot be saved because of short of liberty. Note in the previous diagram, can separate at 'a' too, but that does not affect the end result.
Note Mace's point about 'a' in the first diagram above. When Black plays 1 below, White plays 2 as the last trap to test Black's understanding of the position. If Black captures with 3, White has time to descend at 4 and win the fight. Black needs to descend at 'a' instead of 3 and sacrifice 2 stones as necessary to maintain the squeeze on White.
$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O , O O 8 9 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 4 2 O O O X X 0 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | a X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 5 6 . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . 7 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . X . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . X , . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . X . O X X . . . O . |
$$ | X O O O O X O . O O O . O O O . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O O O X . X X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X O X X O . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O , O O 8 9 O O O X X . . , . . . |
$$ | 4 2 O O O X X 0 O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | a X O X X O . . . . O X X O O O . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 5 6 . . . . . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . 7 . . . O . X . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O X X . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]