Life In 19x19

Hello all!

I'm new here so I'm gonna introduce myself: I'm 58 yo guy from near the North Pole (well, almost ). I have been playing Go for about 15 years. It has been somekind of On/Off playing, if you know what I mean. If you don't, let me explain it to you. When I start my On-period, I begin to study Go books and play through games of old Masters. I even start to memorize some games. But, when I start to play games in the Net, or against computer (CS2013), or against my friend, I'm so frustrated after a lost game, that I don't like to play anymore. (Don't understand me wrong; I don't lose all my games! I think I'm somewhere around 12-15 kyus.) Then comes the Off-period. No more Go for a long time!
I know this all sounds silly, but does anybody recognize the symptoms that I have? What can I do?

There are lots of people with similar difficulties, but I think the exact remedy varies from one person to the next.

Do you currently review your own games? There are always things we can learn from our own play, and lost games present better opportunities than games we have won. If you recognize that every defeat is a lesson that allows you to get stronger, it may take away some of the sting of defeat.

I play games occasionally because of that, but when I start playing, if I lose, I immediately can play another and I usually get 4-5 games in that day. if I win one then that's it.

Abyssinica wrote:I play games occasionally because of that, but when I start playing, if I lose, I immediately can play another and I usually get 4-5 games in that day. if I win one then that's it.

The bad feeling when losing a game is much stronger than the good feeling when you win! Why?

I think that many who have this feeling equate losing with being stupid. It's just not the case. People win or lose because of their go skills and go performance, and while that may reflect other aspects of a person (for example, I recently had the realization that precision is not really my thing, and that this probably accounts for a chunk of my losses), it does not mean that a person is dumb, bad, incompetent or any of the other epithets we paint on the mirror when we play poorly. If you are berating yourself when you lose, stop. You played poorly because you didn't know how to play better and you made one of the zillion possible game losing moves. So what? It's not a big deal, and you are no less of a person because of it.

jeromie wrote:There are lots of people with similar difficulties, but I think the exact remedy varies from one person to the next.

Do you currently review your own games? There are always things we can learn from our own play, and lost games present better opportunities than games we have won. If you recognize that every defeat is a lesson that allows you to get stronger, it may take away some of the sting of defeat.

I have played chess for about 40 years so I think I know the usefulness of good analyze.
I have analyzed my Go games with CS. I don't always agree with the result of its' thinking, but it's better than nothing. And I agree that the lost games are most valuable for your progress.

jeromie wrote:There are lots of people with similar difficulties, but I think the exact remedy varies from one person to the next.

Indeed, there are any number of remedies that might work for you.

Here is an idea that has not been mentioned. Play with the intention of losing. You don't have to blunder. You can aim at losing by, say, 5 - 10 points. Then if you lose, you succeed.

You don't have to do this for every game, OC.

daal wrote:I think that many who have this feeling equate losing with being stupid. It's just not the case. People win or lose because of their go skills and go performance, and while that may reflect other aspects of a person (for example, I recently had the realization that precision is not really my thing, and that this probably accounts for a chunk of my losses), it does not mean that a person is dumb, bad, incompetent or any of the other epithets we paint on the mirror when we play poorly. If you are berating yourself when you lose, stop. You played poorly because you didn't know how to play better and you made one of the zillion possible game losing moves. So what? It's not a big deal, and you are no less of a person because of it.

Thanks daal! You are absolutely right! It is my Go skill that needs to be upgraded, not necessarily my personality! It should be fun to play and I'm taking it too seriously. But that is in my personality! That's the problem.

Katoana wrote: I have played chess for about 40 years so I think I know the usefulness of good analyze.
I have analyzed my Go games with CS. I don't always agree with the result of its' thinking, but it's better than nothing. And I agree that the lost games are most valuable for your progress.

Try something like KGS Teaching Ladder. A person will be able to explain much better than CS.

Katoana wrote:

Abyssinica wrote:I play games occasionally because of that, but when I start playing, if I lose, I immediately can play another and I usually get 4-5 games in that day. if I win one then that's it.

The bad feeling when losing a game is much stronger than the good feeling when you win! Why?

I can't end on a loss or not even for a day, but if I win I don't want to tarnish my record.

oren wrote:Try something like KGS Teaching Ladder. A person will be able to explain much better than CS.

Thanks oren, I will do that.

Katoana wrote: I have played chess for about 40 years

Do you have the same aversion to losing at chess?

Abyssinica wrote:

Katoana wrote:

Abyssinica wrote:I play games occasionally because of that, but when I start playing, if I lose, I immediately can play another and I usually get 4-5 games in that day. if I win one then that's it.

The bad feeling when losing a game is much stronger than the good feeling when you win! Why?

I can't end on a loss or not even for a day, but if I win I don't want to tarnish my record.

Last saturday I played two games (having 6 and 5 stones handicap) against my friend. I won both. I was so nervous that my hands were shaking. Against my friend!? Not for Meijin title! Ridiculous!

EVERY Go player who is matched against evenly skilled opponents, will lose 50 per cent of their games.


If you lose your games to a higher rate, here is a wisdom from ancient Japan:

"As the archer missed his target, he turned around and looked for the fault within himself."

Katoana wrote:Last saturday I played two games (having 6 and 5 stones handicap) against my friend. I won both. I was so nervous that my hands were shaking.

You are not playing a game of Go AGAINST your current opponent, but WITH him.

Your opponent helps you to discover more knowledge about yourself.