Perhaps it would be a good idea if you told us what the pi rule is.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:04 pm
by schawipp
DrStraw wrote:Perhaps it would be a good idea if you told us what the pi rule is.
I would guess, he means the "pie rule" instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pie_rule. The "pi rule" (w gets pi komi) doesn't seem to make much sense...
I'm sure any pro player as the second one to move will choose to swap. It even feels like a possible move to play as black with usual komi. In my feeling, the first move on the second line will be slightly better for black, and on the first line will be better for white.
If you forced me, I guess I'd pick 2-8 or something.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:12 pm
by Jhyn
schawipp wrote:
DrStraw wrote:Perhaps it would be a good idea if you told us what the pi rule is.
I would guess, he means the "pie rule" instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pie_rule. The "pi rule" (w gets pi komi) doesn't seem to make much sense...
The only difference with komi 3.5 would be that you win by 0.14159... instead of 0.5, but the .5 doesn't make more sense. Personally I prefer saying "3 point komi, white wins ties"... Or just leave the ties be.
Imaginary komi, now...
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:19 am
by DrStraw
If that is what is meant then I would think that e is a much more widely used number then pi and so we should have the e-rule. It would also me more apt for e-mail games, I guess.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:37 am
by Bill Spight
Jhyn wrote:
schawipp wrote:
DrStraw wrote:Perhaps it would be a good idea if you told us what the pi rule is.
I would guess, he means the "pie rule" instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pie_rule. The "pi rule" (w gets pi komi) doesn't seem to make much sense...
The only difference with komi 3.5 would be that you win by 0.14159... instead of 0.5, but the .5 doesn't make more sense. Personally I prefer saying "3 point komi, white wins ties"... Or just leave the ties be.
Imaginary komi, now...
Right. The i rule!
Edit: I win jigo.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:32 am
by Jhyn
Bill Spight wrote:
Jhyn wrote:
The only difference with komi 3.5 would be that you win by 0.14159... instead of 0.5, but the .5 doesn't make more sense. Personally I prefer saying "3 point komi, white wins ties"... Or just leave the ties be.
Imaginary komi, now...
Right. The i rule!
Edit: I win jigo.
And since both players can say it... Both players win?
That's an interesting interpretation. (Shame it only works in English)
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:12 pm
by Bill Spight
Jhyn wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
Jhyn wrote:
The only difference with komi 3.5 would be that you win by 0.14159... instead of 0.5, but the .5 doesn't make more sense. Personally I prefer saying "3 point komi, white wins ties"... Or just leave the ties be.
Imaginary komi, now...
Right. The i rule!
Edit: I win jigo.
And since both players can say it... Both players win?
That's an interesting interpretation. (Shame it only works in English)
If one is looking for ideas to replace komi, here is one. Play two games with alternate colours. Add the results of both games. The palyer who has the higher total score wins. The first game is a bit different from traditional game, because one might settle to lose a little instead of taking a big risk. But the second is not. A similar idea is been used in football, ice hockey, etc. matches.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:52 am
by Matti
Marcel Grünauer wrote:First move 3-14.
Seems good for black.
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:43 am
by skydyr
Matti wrote:If one is looking for ideas to replace komi, here is one. Play two games with alternate colours. Add the results of both games. The palyer who has the higher total score wins. The first game is a bit different from traditional game, because one might settle to lose a little instead of taking a big risk. But the second is not. A similar idea is been used in football, ice hockey, etc. matches.
How do you score resignations?
Re: pi rule instead of komi for go?
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:22 pm
by Jhyn
skydyr wrote:
Matti wrote:If one is looking for ideas to replace komi, here is one. Play two games with alternate colours. Add the results of both games. The player who has the higher total score wins. The first game is a bit different from traditional game, because one might settle to lose a little instead of taking a big risk. But the second is not. A similar idea is been used in football, ice hockey, etc. matches.
How do you score resignations?
I assume a resignation would be for the entire match - that is, the first game is played until the end whatever happens.
It might also make sense to equal a, say, 50-point defeat with a resignation. This way, you might catch a draw by crushing your opponent in the second game even after resigning. But since players would never resign the first game anyway, I don't think it would change much.
