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Little help with this game.

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:26 pm
by Joelnelsonb
Comments within the sgf.


Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:09 pm
by Unusedname
My thoughts.

https://online-go.com/review/97782
It keeps adding deleted comments when I try to link it as sgf.

:b5: makes sense
:w10: Idk if I agree.
:b15: Might be some shape issues. The bamboo joint threatens to surround the corner or take the base of the two white stones.
:b21: Agree this looks great for black.
:b23: forces white to strengthen himself without really strengthening black. Jumping out threatens surrounding either the corner or capping the white group.
:b32: You can see the 3-3 invasion really hurt the black group at G3
:b41: I think this move is small. All the white groups here are alive. There are a lot of big points left to take. Enclosure. Or star point on the top.
:b45: Maybe hane on top first. The two stones aren't very important because the white groups are alive and connected.
:b69: Compare in game :b73: with R15 at :b69:

It looks like black is searching for forcing moves which is good because sente is nice. But not all forcing moves are good. For example your variation at :b17: is a forcing move (atari) but it gains nothing for black. All it does is lose a liberty. So it's not very good.

Instead of directly forcing white with moves like :b23: I think black can start looking for moves like jumping out at :b23: It indirectly forces white because it threatens two sides.

Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:47 pm
by Bill Spight
Happy New Year! :D


Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:16 am
by sliderser
Is black in the down-left conner can be killed?

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:06 am
by EdLee
Hi sliderser, see Bill's notes and variations at :b39:, and :white: 194.

Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:53 am
by schawipp
I added a variation on move :w22: for discussion. What do you think about that variation?


Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:23 am
by illluck
schawipp wrote:I added a variation on move :w22: for discussion. What do you think about that variation?


Doesn't quite work, I think. Black connect at O4 and then if white cuts at O6 black can atari at N6 and then capture the Q7 stone.

Re: Little help with this game.

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:19 am
by schawipp
illluck wrote:
Doesn't quite work, I think. Black connect at O4 and then if white cuts at O6 black can atari at N6 and then capture the Q7 stone.


I edited your suggestion together with some followups in my above posting, but I'm not yet fully convinced. After white blocks at N5 I cannot see a clear way for black how to capture O6,O7.