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Tournaments have always been somewhat tiring for me, but recently I've been finding online games tiring as well. I find it particularly tiring to play to play a high dan player (I am low dan KGS) - even in a relatively fast game.

Is this an inevitable result of the ageing process and to be expected as I move into middle age? Or am I concentrating "too hard"?

Does anyone else put off going to tournaments because they are not sure they have the stamina (particularly after a hard week at work)?

Grateful for anyone else's experiences or thoughts.

I don't think I have ever felt that way in my 40+ years of playing. It has always been enjoyable to me, not a chore. Of course, perhaps that is why I never got higher than 5d.

I should perhaps clarify that my enjoyment of go still remains intact, even intensified I think.

dust wrote:Tournaments have always been somewhat tiring for me, but recently I've been finding online games tiring as well. I find it particularly tiring to play to play a high dan player (I am low dan KGS) - even in a relatively fast game.

Is this an inevitable result of the ageing process and to be expected as I move into middle age? Or am I concentrating "too hard"?

Does anyone else put off going to tournaments because they are not sure they have the stamina (particularly after a hard week at work)?

Grateful for anyone else's experiences or thoughts.

I can talk a little about both my experience and about some research, although not any recent research. Physical fitness matters for mind sports. If you don't keep it up, you can tell, especially as you reach middle age. But there is nothing inevitable about it. I did not maintain my physical fitness, and it showed when I was going to bridge tournaments. In my 20s I used to play 10 hours per day for a week to 10 days, with no problem. In my mid 30s I only played 7-8 hours per day and rested for a couple of hours in the afternoons. And after a week or more of hard mental labor at a tournament I felt the effects for days.

Research indicates that "mental tiredness" is all or nearly all physical. If you remain rested you can maintain your mental acuity and concentration all day, no problem. I am not sure what you mean by a relatively fast game of go. For me that would be one that took 30 minutes or so. Maybe for you it is one hour or so. If you find that tiring, it is probably because of tension. Relaxation exercises away from the board can help. The corpse posture in yoga comes to mind. As does autogenics. There are also yogic mental concentration exercises while remaining physically relaxed. Often we are not aware of our tension. One exercise for aspiring violinists is to hold a wine cork between their teeth while playing. At first they usually bite through the cork in a minute or two.

At home there are things you can do to stay relaxed while playing online. You can put on some relaxing music. You can play in an easy chair or stretched out on a sofa. You can stretch to relieve tension. You can put a wine cork between your teeth. You can massage your neck or get someone to do it for you.

It might be a good idea to play games where your main goal is not to win, but to stay relaxed. You might find faster games than usual relaxing, you might find slower games relaxing. If you avoid tension, you should not get tired after one or two games.

I have not been to any tournament before,
but I am always exhausted after serious games(face-to-face or online).

Another factor might be the rank. We become better at go with time. The better we are, the more difficult are the games.

I can feel exhausted by a game in tournament. For my defense, I must admit that I'm always in charge of the organisation of the tournaments I play. I can't relax because I'm rushing between the rounds to collect the results and output the draws in time for the next round.

My online games are 25 minutes per player. I don't find them as exhausting as tournament games.

I notice that professional players regularly take breaks during their games. We should do the same.

I don't get tired online, but every game I've played in the US Open has been exhausting.

If Go is too exhausting, you could always play some chess.

That's what I do

edit: inebriants are apparently not everyone's cup of tea, but there is that, too

Anzu wrote:If Go is too exhausting, you could always play some chess.

That's what I do

I know the rules of chess from middle school (enough to beat my dad ), but I never got into it competitively.

How would you compare the feeling you get from playing chess to the feeling you get playing go? Is it similar?

Kirby wrote:

Anzu wrote:If Go is too exhausting, you could always play some chess.

That's what I do

I know the rules of chess from middle school (enough to beat my dad ), but I never got into it competitively.

How would you compare the feeling you get from playing chess to the feeling you get playing go? Is it similar?

Variety is the spice of life.

I thought chess tournaments were exhausting, and that Go might be more relaxing, but Go like chess is going to be just as exhausting I think, already some of my online Go games that have lasted a couple hours are exhausting.

On several occasions, I taught some children go.
If you think go is not tiring enough, do some teaching in the classroom!
Fun, interesting, exhilarating. It can be tiring, but also very rewarding.

I have been teaching my cousin's 2 boys, 6 and 8, how to play Go, and although it has been trying in a different way, it has not been the same mental strain as playing a game myself.

Next lesson is tomorrow night; last week I tried to get them to use a clock so that the 6 year old wouldn't get up and walk away for several minutes and get distracted like he has in the past, but they had no sense of time and became spastic playing as fast as they could and finishing the game in 5 minutes. I think Go will be good for them to learn discipline and concentration. The 8 year old lost, but learned his lesson and told me he shouldn't have played so fast. We will see how it goes tomorrow.

Bill Spight wrote:Research indicates that "mental tiredness" is all or nearly all physical.

Do you (or someone) have references of research papers supporting this?

I have seen (but not fully read) a report that recent research has shown top chess players use 560 calories over two hours in tournament play, and 6000 calories a day ("same as elite athletes") when factoring in stress and preparation. In go, Fujisawa Hideyuki once said he lost 2 kg over the course of title match. Without getting out a calculator I have no idea what that means, but top chess players have made similar claims of either short-term weight loss of about 17 pounds or even bigger long-term loss over the course of a match.

See:

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a291 ... orie-burn/