8k vs 7k on DGS: probably bad joseki choice
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:00 am
by Fllecha
Hi I'm white here. I made (at least) three clear brainfart but I'm looking for some comments on my play, in particular on the upper left joseki.
Thanks in advance. I'm going to post more games in 2017, hope not to disturb
Thanks in advance. I'm going to post more games in 2017, hope not to disturb
(;FF[4]GM[1]AP[DGS:1.19.12]PC[Dragon Go Server: http://www.dragongoserver.net/]DT[2016-12-11,2016-12-29]GN[SeryTiby-MaadayKara-1134808-20161229]SO[http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=1134808]PB[MaadayKara (MaadayKara)]PW[Tiby (SeryTiby)]BR[7k]WR[8k]XM[229]GC[Game ID: 1134808
Game Type: GO (1:1)
Rated: Y
White Start Rating: 8k (+6%) - ELO 1306
Black Start Rating: 8k (+29%) - ELO 1328
White End Rating: 8k (-48%) - ELO 1252
Black End Rating: 7k (-39%) - ELO 1360]OT[1 day + 15 days per 15 stones]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RE[B+6.5];B[pc];W[dq];B[cd];W[qp];B[qe];W[ec]C[maybe something around K17?];B[ic];W[cc];B[bc];W[dd];B[cb];W[ce];B[dc];W[bd];B[cc];W[ee]C[what about this joseki result?];B[be];W[bf];B[ad];W[df];B[do];W[co];B[cn];W[cp];B[dm];W[fq];B[cj];W[ch];B[ei];W[eh];B[op];W[mp]C[what else?];B[pm];W[pp];B[oo];W[oq];B[pj];W[kc]C[Was this justified?];B[mc];W[ke];B[ie];W[md];B[nd];W[me];B[ig];W[jf];B[if];W[qh];B[oh];W[qj];B[qk];W[og];B[qi];W[pi];B[rj];W[nh];B[oi];W[pg];B[ni];W[mh];B[fh];W[fg];B[gh];W[ip];B[in];W[jn];B[jo];W[io];B[ko];W[mn];B[jm];W[hn];B[im];W[kq];B[kn];W[on];B[pn];W[no];B[hm];W[gn];B[fm];W[po];B[nm];W[pe];B[pd];W[qf];B[re];W[nc];B[nb];W[lc];B[mb];W[ne];B[od];W[mi];B[kh];W[kg];B[jg];W[ki]C[a clear brainfart];B[lg];W[kf];B[lh];W[mg];B[bo];W[bp];B[bn];W[li];B[ji];W[lf];B[jh];W[di];B[dj];W[hd];B[id];W[en]C[another brainfart];B[fn];W[fo];B[eo];W[ep];B[gm];W[qn]C[not seeing the cut at g5: brainfart];B[qm];W[rn];B[rm];W[jj];B[ij];W[jk];B[kj];W[lk];B[kk];W[kl];B[ik];W[jl];B[eb];W[fc];B[gf];W[ff];B[ge];W[gd];B[jp];W[jq];B[go];W[ho];B[gp];W[hq];B[fp];W[gq];B[ap];W[aq];B[ao];W[bq];B[sn];W[so];B[sm];W[ro];B[oe];W[of];B[rh];W[nn];B[nl];W[nk];B[ok];W[nj];B[ph];W[ci];B[bj];W[bi];B[fb];W[aj];B[ak];W[ai];B[bk];W[gb];B[hc];W[gc];B[qg];W[pf];B[rf];W[af];B[fe];W[ib];B[ga];W[ha];B[fa];W[lb];B[jb];W[hb];B[jc];W[il];B[hl];W[hp];B[fo];W[ma];B[na];W[ob];B[oc];W[pb];B[qb];W[qc];B[rc];W[la];B[gg];W[eg];B[km];W[ll];B[lp];W[lq];B[dp];W[eq];B[fd];W[ed];B[ml];W[mk];B[lo];W[jd];B[je];W[kd];B[om];W[lm];B[ae];W[ja];B[kb];W[ka];B[he];W[mo];B[oj];W[];B[];W[]TB[ra][rb][fl][fk][gi][gj][hf][gl][gk][fj][fi][ri][ea][rk][rl][ek]
[el][rd][rg][em][hg][hh][pk][pl][qa][qd][pi][pa][nc][oa][ol][jn]
[qh][hk][hj][hi][en][ih][qj][ql][ii][dn][ej][si][sj][an][dl][bb]
[sg][sh][bd][am][al][qc][pb][ob][aa][ab][sk][sl][ac][bl][ba][sb]
[cm][cl][sa][da][dk][bm][ck][db][ca][se][sd][sf][sc]TW[sr][or][os][rp][ss][ns][nq][nr][rq][qs][pr][np][qr][rs][qo][rr]
[ps][sp][pq][qq][sq][ia][cs][de][cr][cq][cg][dg][dh][er][ef][ds]
[dr][cf][bs][kj][ag][kk][oo][op][ah][ar][br][bh][bg][as][es][fr]
[lr][ls][lj][le][ld][mf][mj][nf][ms][mr][mq][ks][kr][hr][gs][gr]
[fs][hs][iq][js][jr][is][ir][ng]C[White: 68 territories + 2*4 dead stones(B) + 0 prisoners + 6.5 komi = 82.5
Black: 73 territories + 2*4 dead stones(W) + 8 prisoners = 89
Result: B+6.5])
Game Type: GO (1:1)
Rated: Y
White Start Rating: 8k (+6%) - ELO 1306
Black Start Rating: 8k (+29%) - ELO 1328
White End Rating: 8k (-48%) - ELO 1252
Black End Rating: 7k (-39%) - ELO 1360]OT[1 day + 15 days per 15 stones]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RE[B+6.5];B[pc];W[dq];B[cd];W[qp];B[qe];W[ec]C[maybe something around K17?];B[ic];W[cc];B[bc];W[dd];B[cb];W[ce];B[dc];W[bd];B[cc];W[ee]C[what about this joseki result?];B[be];W[bf];B[ad];W[df];B[do];W[co];B[cn];W[cp];B[dm];W[fq];B[cj];W[ch];B[ei];W[eh];B[op];W[mp]C[what else?];B[pm];W[pp];B[oo];W[oq];B[pj];W[kc]C[Was this justified?];B[mc];W[ke];B[ie];W[md];B[nd];W[me];B[ig];W[jf];B[if];W[qh];B[oh];W[qj];B[qk];W[og];B[qi];W[pi];B[rj];W[nh];B[oi];W[pg];B[ni];W[mh];B[fh];W[fg];B[gh];W[ip];B[in];W[jn];B[jo];W[io];B[ko];W[mn];B[jm];W[hn];B[im];W[kq];B[kn];W[on];B[pn];W[no];B[hm];W[gn];B[fm];W[po];B[nm];W[pe];B[pd];W[qf];B[re];W[nc];B[nb];W[lc];B[mb];W[ne];B[od];W[mi];B[kh];W[kg];B[jg];W[ki]C[a clear brainfart];B[lg];W[kf];B[lh];W[mg];B[bo];W[bp];B[bn];W[li];B[ji];W[lf];B[jh];W[di];B[dj];W[hd];B[id];W[en]C[another brainfart];B[fn];W[fo];B[eo];W[ep];B[gm];W[qn]C[not seeing the cut at g5: brainfart];B[qm];W[rn];B[rm];W[jj];B[ij];W[jk];B[kj];W[lk];B[kk];W[kl];B[ik];W[jl];B[eb];W[fc];B[gf];W[ff];B[ge];W[gd];B[jp];W[jq];B[go];W[ho];B[gp];W[hq];B[fp];W[gq];B[ap];W[aq];B[ao];W[bq];B[sn];W[so];B[sm];W[ro];B[oe];W[of];B[rh];W[nn];B[nl];W[nk];B[ok];W[nj];B[ph];W[ci];B[bj];W[bi];B[fb];W[aj];B[ak];W[ai];B[bk];W[gb];B[hc];W[gc];B[qg];W[pf];B[rf];W[af];B[fe];W[ib];B[ga];W[ha];B[fa];W[lb];B[jb];W[hb];B[jc];W[il];B[hl];W[hp];B[fo];W[ma];B[na];W[ob];B[oc];W[pb];B[qb];W[qc];B[rc];W[la];B[gg];W[eg];B[km];W[ll];B[lp];W[lq];B[dp];W[eq];B[fd];W[ed];B[ml];W[mk];B[lo];W[jd];B[je];W[kd];B[om];W[lm];B[ae];W[ja];B[kb];W[ka];B[he];W[mo];B[oj];W[];B[];W[]TB[ra][rb][fl][fk][gi][gj][hf][gl][gk][fj][fi][ri][ea][rk][rl][ek]
[el][rd][rg][em][hg][hh][pk][pl][qa][qd][pi][pa][nc][oa][ol][jn]
[qh][hk][hj][hi][en][ih][qj][ql][ii][dn][ej][si][sj][an][dl][bb]
[sg][sh][bd][am][al][qc][pb][ob][aa][ab][sk][sl][ac][bl][ba][sb]
[cm][cl][sa][da][dk][bm][ck][db][ca][se][sd][sf][sc]TW[sr][or][os][rp][ss][ns][nq][nr][rq][qs][pr][np][qr][rs][qo][rr]
[ps][sp][pq][qq][sq][ia][cs][de][cr][cq][cg][dg][dh][er][ef][ds]
[dr][cf][bs][kj][ag][kk][oo][op][ah][ar][br][bh][bg][as][es][fr]
[lr][ls][lj][le][ld][mf][mj][nf][ms][mr][mq][ks][kr][hr][gs][gr]
[fs][hs][iq][js][jr][is][ir][ng]C[White: 68 territories + 2*4 dead stones(B) + 0 prisoners + 6.5 komi = 82.5
Black: 73 territories + 2*4 dead stones(W) + 8 prisoners = 89
Result: B+6.5])
, would be better as a solid connection at C-14. The hanging connection gives Black a peep.