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L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:52 pm
by Kirby
Welcome to Round 2 of the L19 Go Problem Championship.

All problems are black to play. As usual, provide your solutions either via hide tags, or direct private message to me.

Problem 1 (3 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | . O X , . . . .
$$ | . X O X . . . .
$$ | . O O X . X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
Problem 2 (6 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | . O . . . O X .
$$ | . . . . O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]

Problem 3 (9 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . . O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
Have fun!

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:13 am
by EdLee
2017 Round 2.1 (004)
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[go]$$B B kills
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | 4 O X , . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X . . . .
$$ | 2 O O X . X . .
$$ | . 5 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
2017 Round 2.2 (005)
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[go]$$B First feelings: (a) or (b)
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | a O . . . O X .
$$ | . b . . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
Hane:
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 1 O . 3 . O X .
$$ | . . 2 . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 1 O . 3 . O X .
$$ | . 2 . . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 1 O 2 . . O X .
$$ | . . . . O . 3 .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
Clamp:
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 5 O 4 3 . O X .
$$ | . 1 2 . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
If :b3: extends:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O . . . O X .
$$ | . 1 3 . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O . 4 . O X .
$$ | . 1 3 . O . 5 .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W dies
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O . . . O X .
$$ | . 1 3 4 O . 5 .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
If :w4: connects:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 . . O X .
$$ | . 1 3 . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W lives
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 6 5 O X .
$$ | . 1 3 . O . . .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
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[go]$$B :b5: @ (a) or (b): seki
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 . 6 O X .
$$ | . 1 3 a O . b .
$$ | ---------------[/go]
2017 Round 2.3 (006)
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[go]$$B W lives
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 3 1 2 O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . . O X .
$$ | . . . . 4 . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
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[go]$$B W lives
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 2 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 1 . O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$----------------------[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 1 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . . O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$----------------------[/go]
:study:

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:23 am
by Kirby
@EdLee:
Your solution for #1 is correct. Looks like you're still investigating the other two, so I won't comment on those.

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:57 am
by Lanrose
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | 4 O X , . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X . . . .
$$ | 2 O O X . X . .
$$ | . 5 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
I was able to work a little on problem 2 as well
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[go]$$B First version W lives
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 3 4 . O X .
$$ | . 1 5 . O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 6 . O X .
$$ | 8 1 3 5 O 7 . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | O O O O . O X .
$$ | O . 9 . O X . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
I'm unsure about this result so I'm going to continue hunting for something better

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:02 am
by Kirby
@Lanrose:
Your solution for problem 1 is correct.

For the second problem, continuing from your last diagram, if white captures the stone...?
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | O O O O . O X .
$$ | O . 9 . O C 0 .
$$ ----------------[/go]

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:27 pm
by Lanrose
@Kirby
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | O O O O . O X .
$$ | O . 1 . O 4 2 3
$$ ----------------[/go]
For some reason I thought this would be a Ko fight but I see that white will just play and live.

While driving though i was able to come up with this sequence
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[go]$$B same as before
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 6 . O X .
$$ | 8 1 3 5 O 7 . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
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[go]$$B Ko fight
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | O O O O 3 O X .
$$ | O . 2 . O 1 . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
I don't know if this is the best sequence for black but it at least forces a ko fight

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:42 pm
by Kirby
@Lanrose:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 . 6 O X .
$$ | . 1 3 5 O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
Anyway, the solution for this one should avoid both ko and seki, since there is a way to kill directly.

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:36 pm
by jeromie
Problem 1
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | . O X , . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X . . . .
$$ | 2 O O X . X . .
$$ | . a 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
White can't play at a for a second eye due to a shortage of liberties

Problem 2
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | a O . c . O X .
$$ | . b . . O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
This reminds me of this problem Bill Spight posted a while back. But there's a crucial difference; if black hanes at a here and white decends at b, the resulting shape is dead instead of alive. That suggests to me that black can do better than ko in this problem and that c is a key point.

Here's my answer:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 2 O 4 1 3 O X .
$$ | . . . . O 5 . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
Another possible resistance:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 5 O 3 1 4 O X .
$$ | . . . 2 O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
Problem 3 (9 points)


I think this clamp works:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 3 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 1 . O X .
$$ | . . . . 2 a . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
The hane at a is answered by the same 3.

If white tries this
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , b . O a X ,
$$ | . . . X O 2 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 1 4 O X .
$$ | . . . 7 3 5 6 O .
$$ --------------------[/go]
The weakness at a and the shortage of liberties at b ensure white can't get two eyes.

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:51 pm
by jeromie
Oops. On problem 3 I missed white's throw in. I've looked at the other contestants' answers, so I'm disqualified from posting another solution.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 2 . O X .
$$ | . X . X O 1 6 O X .
$$ | . . . 7 3 4 5 O .
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:11 pm
by gamesorry
1.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | . O X , . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X . . . .
$$ | 2 O O X . X . .
$$ | . a 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
2.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 3 O 2 1 . O X .
$$ | . . . . O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]

Incidentally, I just found a very similar situation in one of my 13*13 games today:
https://online-go.com/game/6863138 (move 53)

Variation 1: Ko, B fails
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 1 O . 2 . O X .
$$ | . 3 4 . O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]

3.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 4 . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 7 2 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 3 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . 6 5 . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]

Variation:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 4 . 7 O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . 2 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 3 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . 5 6 . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 9 . 4 O 5 X ,
$$ | . . . X O . 3 O X .
$$ | . X . X O . 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . 2 8 6 O 7 .
$$ --------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 5 . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 4 3 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 2 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 7 5 6 O 4 X ,
$$ | . . . X O a 3 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 2 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . 8 . 9 O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 4 . . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O 2 8 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 1 3 O X .
$$ | . . . . 5 6 7 O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
B fails
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X 3 1 2 O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . . O X .
$$ | . . . . 4 . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:12 pm
by Kirby
@jeromie:
Looks good for problems 1 & 2.

And, indeed, that throw-in poses an issue from problem 3 :-)

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:14 pm
by Kirby
@gamesorry:
Good work! Regarding problem 3, do you have a response for white's connection with :w2:, below?
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 2 . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:23 pm
by Shaddy
Problem 1 (3 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . . .
$$ | . O X . . . . .
$$ | . O X , . . . .
$$ | 1 X O X . . . .
$$ | 2 O O X . X . .
$$ | . . 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]
Problem 2 (6 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . .
$$ | . X O O O X X .
$$ | 3 O 2 1 . O X .
$$ | . 4 . 5 O . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]

Problem 3 (9 points)
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 4 . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . 2 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 3 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . . 5 . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
so it's ko with 2 @ 4, 5 @ 2.

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:50 pm
by gamesorry
Kirby wrote:@gamesorry:

Good work! Regarding problem 3, do you have a response for white's connection with :w2:, below?
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 2 . O . X ,
$$ | . . . X O . . O X .
$$ | . X . X O . 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]
Oops, nice move! This should be a ko
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O O X X . .
$$ | . . X , 2 7 O 5 X ,
$$ | . . . X O 4 3 O X .
$$ | . X . X O 6 1 O X .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . .
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: L19 Go Problem Championship: Round 2

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:19 pm
by Kirby
@Shaddy:
Not sure I get the causal implication with the "so" in your comment.

The diagrams you provided are correct, and ko is correct for the third problem - but I didn't quite get your comment. With 5@2, where are 3 and 4?