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Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:18 am
by pookpooi
From DeepMind website
The summit will feature a variety of game formats involving AlphaGo and top Chinese players, specifically designed to explore the mysteries of the game together. The games will include:
“Pair Go” — A game where one Chinese pro will play against another...except they will both have their own AlphaGo teammate, alternating moves, to take the concept of ‘learning together’ quite literally. Gu Li and AlphaGo vs Lian Xiao and AlphaGo
“Team Go” — A game between AlphaGo and a five-player team consisting of China’s top pro players Shi Yue, Mi Yuting, Tang Weixing, Chen Yaoye and Zhou Ruiyang, working together to test AlphaGo’s creativity and adaptability to their combined style.
“Ke Jie vs AlphaGo” — Of course, the centerpiece of the event will be a classic 1:1 match of three games between AlphaGo and the world’s number one player, Ke Jie, to push AlphaGo to (...perhaps beyond!) its limits.
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Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:22 am
by pookpooi
Official link on this event
https://deepmind.com/blog/innovations-alphago/https://deepmind.com/blog/exploring-mysteries-alphago/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_r9smp4-0UTime setting is 3 hours, 1 minute x 5 byo yomi
Time limits for the 5 pro vs Alphago match is 2.5 hr main time + 3 x 1 minute byoyomi
Time Limits for Gu Li + AlphaGo vs Lian Xiao vs AlphaGo is 1 hr main time + 1 x 1 minute byoyomi
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:59 am
by pookpooi
More update translated by Google from
http://bn.sina.cn/video/live/index/sports/alphago2Master is AlphaGo v25 (They don't announce the version that will play next month yet, but I think it'll be even more update)
Winner get $ 1.5 million, appearance fee of $ 300,000 (Need accurate translation)
Player profiles
AlphaGo (Honorary 9p) Title: Nature front page cover 2016, Japan Go Journalist Club Award 2016
Ke Jie (9p) Title: Bailing Cup 2014, Samsung Cup 2015/2016, MLily Cup 2016
Chen Yaoye (9p) Title: Chunlan Cup 2013, Bailing Cup 2016
Tang Weixing (9p) Title: Samsung Cup 2013, Ing Cup 2016
Mi Yuting (9p) Title: MLily Cup 2013, Limin Cup 2017
Zhou Ruiyang (9p) Title: Bailing Cup 2013
Shi Yue (9p) Title: LG Cup 2013
Gu Li (9p) Title: LG Cup 2006/2009, Chunlan Cup 2007/2015, Fujitsu Cup 2008, World Oza 2008, BC Card Cup 2009, Samsung Cup 2010
Lian Xiao (8p)
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:19 am
by luigi
Where did you find the info on the time settings? I can't see it on the DeepMind website.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:11 am
by pookpooi
luigi wrote:Where did you find the info on the time settings? I can't see it on the DeepMind website.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments ... vs_ke_jie/
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:47 am
by pookpooi
"We intend to publish more scientific papers in the future, which will include further details of AlphaGo's progress."
Google added that Mr Lee would also be invited, but was not sure if he would attend. (Mr. Lee = Lee Sedol)
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39553291Oh I really hope Lee Sedol (and other South Korean professionals) can come, or at least, let him do live commentary (Just like what Ke Jie does during Lee Sedol match)
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:51 am
by hyperpape
pookpooi wrote:Time limits for the 5 pro vs Alphago match is 2.5 hr main time + 3 x 1 minute byoyomi
I don't know how the decision was made and I'm sure it's unreasonable to get 5 of the best Chinese players to take several days for a match, but that doesn't seem like enough time for a proper consultation game.
If you expect that consulting amongst 5 members requires 3 minutes for any move where there's not instant agreement, that gives the professionals 50 non-obvious moves for the entire game, which is not that much. It seems like either they'd waste valuable time or end up playing a sort of rengo.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:04 am
by pookpooi
hyperpape wrote: I don't know how the decision was made and I'm sure it's unreasonable to get 5 of the best Chinese players to take several days for a match, but that doesn't seem like enough time for a proper consultation game.
If you expect that consulting amongst 5 members requires 3 minutes for any move where there's not instant agreement, that gives the professionals 50 non-obvious moves for the entire game, which is not that much. It seems like either they'd waste valuable time or end up playing a sort of rengo.
I watch video of Chen Yaoye team up with Meng Tailing match against Master, I think these Chinese pro are really working in harmony. So I expect the 5 pro team to be quick and each pro going on the same direction. And I think they're friends? since they're all in 20s age.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:07 am
by Solomon
pookpooi wrote:I watch video of Chen Yaoye team up with Meng Tailing match against Master, I think these Chinese pro are really working in harmony.
Did we watch the same video? Because I got the impression that Chen Yaoye was more distracted by Meng Tailing rather than working in harmony with him.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:20 am
by pookpooi
I'm trying to find video but it got deleted? Now there's only video of them do post game commentary.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:23 am
by pookpooi
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:33 am
by pookpooi
A little bit update, DeepMind team will stay in China for 3 weeks, they'll go back to London in June. And yes, they're very exciting on working under 'The Great Firewall' for the first time. Confirmed Western press that will cover event in China are Wired and New York Times.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:42 am
by ewan1971
pookpooi wrote:A little bit update, DeepMind team will stay in China for 3 weeks, they'll go back to London in June. And yes, they're very exciting on working under 'The Great Firewall' for the first time. Confirmed Western press that will cover event in China are Wired and New York Times.
A Japanese friend suggested, somewhat jokingly (or so I hope), that perhaps Google and China should move this event to North Korea, in the spirit of peace and friendship of course. He thinks this might help defuse the current crisis on the peninsula. After all, he said, it was the Chinese who introduced civilization to Korea, and they might have to do so again; and there are few better ways of civilizing Koreans than exposing them to Go.
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 6:17 am
by pookpooi
You know, no matter if AlphaGo reach 20 Dan or not, it's gonna lose to North Korean pro (or whatever they have)
But then again, it may be a good thing like your friend suggested, and I'd love to see the game record which AlphaGo mysteriously lose too
Re: Predict AlphaGo on Future of Go Summit in Wuzhen, China
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 6:45 am
by djhbrown
i predict pooki will be out of a job in June as there will be no more clickbait payments for him when they move on to greener and richer fields, like the NHS, although that isnt going to last much longer either