The general discussion about
AlpgaGo's recently released teaching tool is
over here, this thread is for discussion of particular moves you find interesting. I was clicking through some old-fashioned joseki (mostly early 80s, featuring Otake and Rin according to waltheri). Here's a summary of AlphaGo's judgments preceding the funky move which caught my eye. AG says black starts at 47.1 win % with a 4-4, 3-4 is only slightly less at 46.7. This is Master version of AG and it did still play 3-4s, unlike AG Zero which rather boringly only plays 4-4s. Not much to say up to 5, small shimari is 45.7 which is surprisingly a little better than big low, but big high is favourite at 46.7, but all small differences. Low approach of 6 tiny bit better than high, but then first notable 2% difference is to approach top left instead of pincer, it seems it doesn't like losing sente after a pincer so prefers mutual destruction: you prevent my shimari so I'll prevent yours. It doesn't like the solid kosumi of 8 but counter pincer at
a (and then
b-c, treat the approach lightly and split the large area of black potential in front of the shimari and then hurry to enclose the top left.
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The humans continue the classic joseki (it slightly prefers big knight, but within the noise that it chooses moves), and instead of the slide likes to pincer as before, but less difference (I suppose the corner is 2 stones now and heavy so it makes more sense to settle it). By 2% it prefers to approach top left instead of complete joseki at 11, speed to approach 3-4s or make shimaris seems ultra high priority. The 80s humans made the small shiarmi, AG makes big and we only have mainline now. 13, 14 look normal, but 15 surprised me, what is the meaning of this move?! I have sometimes seen such 2nd line attachments against the knight's move of smaller shimari (either 3-4 or 4-4, but this early against a big shimari is surprising as you can be giving your opponent more solid territory in a place that wasn't yet solid. Is it a probe, deciding how to continue lower left?
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Here's the continuation:
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