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Question about a problem
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:41 pm
by mongus
Graded Go Problems for Beginners Volume 3, problem 300
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . . . O X X . .
$$ | . . . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . . . O X X . .
$$ | . . . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Black to kill.
The given solution is :
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | . . 2 O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | . . 2 O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
However, surely if White plays :
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Then there would be no way for Black to kill.
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 6 O X X . .
$$ | 5 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 6 O X X . .
$$ | 5 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 O X X . .
$$ | 4 1 3 O O X . .
$$ | . . 6 . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 O X X . .
$$ | 4 1 3 O O X . .
$$ | . . 6 . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Is there some variation I'm missing?
Re: Question about a problem
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:19 pm
by Bill Spight
mongus wrote:However, surely if White plays :
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Then there would be no way for Black to kill.
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 6 O X X . .
$$ | 5 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 3 O X O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 6 O X X . .
$$ | 5 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 O X X . .
$$ | 4 1 3 O O X . .
$$ | . . 6 . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | . O X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 O X X . .
$$ | 4 1 3 O O X . .
$$ | . . 6 . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Is there some variation I'm missing?

is the key.

Re: Question about a problem
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:25 pm
by Shenoute
Re: Question about a problem
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:31 pm
by mongus
Ah yes, think I've got it :
$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 4 O X O . . . .
$$ | 3 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X X . . .
$$ | X X O O . . . .
$$ | X O X O . X . .
$$ | 4 O X O . . . .
$$ | 3 2 . O X X . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ +----------------[/go]
Of course, White cannot play 4.
I really struggle to read out liberty shortage problems. Thanks for the hints!