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 Post subject: Question about Belly attachment problem
Post #1 Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:52 pm 
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I don't see how the solution :b1: works

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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | O X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O . O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . 1 . X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Once White pushes down with :w2: I don't see how Black will win the capturing race.

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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | O X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O 4 O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . 1 2 X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . 3 . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Other variations didn't seem to work out either.


Last edited by Letum on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #2 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:04 am 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | 8 O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | O X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | 0 X O 4 O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O 5 1 2 X . . . .
$$ | . O 6 . 7 3 9 . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #3 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:30 am 
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Hi Letum,
It happens. Humans ( and machines ) make mistakes sometimes.
The puzzle needs to give :black: another liberty.
Which book ?
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . X . . .
$$ | . X O . O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . . . X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]
( Now it appears :black: has (3 outside libs) + (1 shared),
and :white: has (5 libs) + (1 shared), so :black: still appears the underdog. :study: )

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Post #4 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:54 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
Hi Letum,
It happens. Humans ( and machines ) make mistakes sometimes.
The puzzle needs to give :black: another liberty.
Which book ?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . X . . .
$$ | . X O . O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . . . X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]
( Now it appears :black: has (3 outside libs) + (1 shared),
and :white: has (5 libs) + (1 shared), so :black: still appears the underdog. :study: )


The problem is from Jump Level Up book one. The answer diagram didn't explain much. Thanks for the reply. I thought that maybe the problem had an error, but was not sure.

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Post #5 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:53 pm 
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Perhaps this was the intended initial position.

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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O . O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . . . X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Edit:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | 2 X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O 4 O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O 5 1 3 X . . . .
$$ | . O 6 7 . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | 5 X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O 4 O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O . 1 2 X . . . .
$$ | . O 6 7 . 3 . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O X X X . X . . .
$$ | 7 X X O O X . . . . .
$$ | . X O 3 O O X . . . .
$$ | X X O 4 1 5 X . . . .
$$ | . O 2 . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]

:w6: connects at 3


Edit: Added another variation.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:10 am 
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Thanks, Bill. :)

Any market for What's Wrong with this Puzzle?

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:53 am 
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Thanks, Ed. :)

I did like the second line of play.

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