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Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:21 pm
by Gomoto
Let us have a look at my nemesis.

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:24 pm
by Gomoto
White should be good in this fuseki:

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:28 pm
by Gomoto
White should continue to build:

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:32 pm
by Gomoto
If white decides to split, he should not add a second stone! There is no good option for white on the lower left side on this board! (If white insists on splitting he should choose C11 instead anyways.)

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:35 pm
by Gomoto
A possible option is to enter the corner immediatly. One should now the next moves after D17:

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:38 pm
by Bill Spight
This is a great idea, but I would feel more confident if both of the top two options had at least 10k rollouts. :)

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:40 pm
by Gomoto
Variation 1 (Black blocks at D16):
(Notice ELF thinks the game is now even.)

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:43 pm
by Gomoto
Variation 2 (Black blocks at C17)

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:46 pm
by Gomoto
Variation 3
(I moved the splitting stone to C11 in this one)

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:49 pm
by Gomoto
Possible continuation, (notice game is even again):

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:51 pm
by Gomoto
I struggle against this kind of fusekis in real life tournaments and against my local go friends.

It is not easy to play against the two space extension in the upper left corner. (I think Alpha Go realized this also ;-) )

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:56 pm
by Gomoto
Perhaps this is a better place to enter the 2 space corner:

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:58 pm
by Gomoto
Something like this:

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:01 pm
by Gomoto
or this ... and the game is even again.

Re: Fuseki Study with ELF

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:06 pm
by Gomoto
Let us try something completly different:

(This is also possible without splitting. With and without splitting it is probably the better option than entering the corner directly)
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A shoulderhit at K16 is also a good option.
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