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3k vs 4k close game review

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:29 am
by Fllecha
Hi all,

I played an even game against a stronger opponent and I need some review. Thanks in advance.


Re: 3k vs 4k close game review

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:57 am
by DeprivedWaste
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[go]$$Bc23
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$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O 2 . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move seems better (if b tries to with D4 white can net him), at a later point LZ shows another reason why.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O 2 . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White seems a bit in trouble, it is at least a weakness white has to look out for.

I added a few other suggestions, not a lot, with help of LZ.


Re: 3k vs 4k close game review

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:20 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My general impression is that you got away with dubious play in the center that would have been refuted by a stronger player.

The invasion at move 44 is almost certain to lead to a running fight, and black has way more relevant stones in the center to win such a fight:
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[go]$$Wc Position at move 44
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black let you off easy by playing too thinly at move 47:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...which probably should have been here:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...or here:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 3k vs 4k close game review

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:05 pm
by Uberdude
Black has no real attack here as white can simply connect under (big yose too).
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So if black wants to attack he has to stop the connection. He can try to do it in sente like this, but white might not defend at 3 and accept the trade of some loss in the corner for an extra move on outside fight. Black ''a'' instead of 2 is probably worse as the damage after tenuki is less. White ''b'' reply is an endgame tesuji but likely middlegame mistake.
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . O . . O . . b . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O 3 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 2 a . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So 2 attaching on top looks prudent.

Re: 3k vs 4k close game review

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:39 pm
by Bill Spight
Quick comment:

:w56: Q-15. Double peep. Then :b57: P-15, :w58: Q-14, snagging the Black stone. Invasion successful! :D