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Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:46 pm
by jumapari
Hallo!
Is there any "weak" engine for Sabaki available? One you can play against?
Thanks a lot!
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:10 pm
by gennan
Go players usually call go engines "bots" (I suppose from robot => gobot => bot). Some include modern AI with that term and others don't (I don't).
I read in several places that the 2008 "Aya" bot is fairly suitable to DDK players
https://senseis.xmp.net/?Aya.
Link to zip file with executable and other assets like a help file:
http://www.yss-aya.com/aya634e.zip.
Aya supports GTP (Go Text Protocol), so you should be able to use it in Sabaki.
Aya's level is about 8k KGS (comparable to about 1400 Elo in chess according to my estimates), so when you are about 12k KGS, you may need to take some handicap to beat it.
Note: Don't confuse the 2008 "Aya" bot with the 2013 "AyaMC" bot from the same programmer, because AyaMC is already 2-3d KGS level (comparable to about 2000 Elo in chess according to my estimates)
Caveat: I think most go players would recommend against playing bots exclusively, because it doesn't prepare you well for human opponents.
Bots tend to have exploitable weaknesses and these are different and more predictable than the weaknesses of human players of the same level.
Also, you'll find much more variation of style in human players. So when you get used to Aya's steady playing style, you may be ill prepared to face the more extreme playing styles of human players of the same level.
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:18 pm
by go4thewin
Depending on your strength, you might want to use one of the settings below, using gtp4zen (
https://rb.gy/kx2ilb ) and katago.
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:31 pm
by jumapari
go4thewin wrote:Depending on your strength, you might want to use one of the settings below, using either zen 7, zen 6, or katago.
Thanks a lot! Which file should I use to make these changes?
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm
by inbae
Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:41 am
by jumapari
inbae wrote:Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.
WOW, thanks for the link. This is awesome!!!
Re: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:54 am
by Sneegurd
inbae wrote:Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.
NOW THIS IS INDEED AWESOME, thanks for the hint. A very usable UI!
https://github.com/sanderland/katrain/releases