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WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:26 pm
by WriterJon
I played black and am the 9 kyu. Any thoughts are very welcome.

I couldn't find my WBaduk game records outside of my phone app, so I had to create the .sgf by hand, the "variations" are actually the main game. They got sidelined where I mis-clicked and went back a move to correct myself :oops:



Some of my opponent's moves looked kind of odd, especially in the yose. So I wonder if maybe I was playing a bot? Or are these Dan-level plays that I will only understand when I am on the reach the same heights?

This is also me testing out the software I have available on my devices and these forums. Hopefully this post isn't a total trainwreck.

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:29 pm
by jlt
White is clearly a bot. Here are some thoughts:

:b17: is slow. O4 is already strong, no need to reinforce it, and the bottom doesn't have a lot of potential. Play a shimari like O17.

:b21: no need to invade yet. You can play the normal joseki R17.

:b23: is overconcentrated. Better extend at L17. (Edit: after checking with a bot, Q14 is even better).

:b25: now you are very overconcentrated. In addition you are reinforcing an already strong group, while R11 is weak.

:b27: now you see that R11 is in difficulty...

:b35: is not achieving much. The lower right corner looks bigger.

:b45: the standard move is B13, to separate C12 from C15.

:b77: is better at B5 if you want to play in the area.

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:38 pm
by gennan
jlt wrote:White is clearly a bot.
Oh! I was going to say that white is clearly a human (a calm low dan player). White does play an AI-like opening, but IME that is common nowadays.

White did not have to work hard to win. You play a decent game, but you tend to play too defensively and passively to win against low dan level players, so white got a lead from about move 23. By move 46, white was winning. Not much happened aftwerwards, so white won.

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:45 pm
by jlt
Yes the beginning is normal but did you look at the end (move 176 for instance)?

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:51 pm
by gennan
Yes, white played many strange and unneccessary moves in the late endgame, but does that mean he was botting? It's possible that white was just bored and/or trolling.

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:26 pm
by WriterJon
Thanks so much for your comments guys especially jlt's point-by-point.

On the bot question, I put the Japanese chat from the original kifu through google translate and the opponent says something like "Hi. I am a bot that plays at 4D level. Have fun!"

As far as I'm concerned white passes the anti-Turing test.

Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:44 am
by rhwocns

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Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:57 am
by jlt
I think rhwocns wanted to say this: