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24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:15 am
by Solomon
Hello everyone! This will be a game between Gus (Tabemasu) 7d and I. We've decided on a reduced handicap of no-komi for me taking Black. Gus and I have brushed shoulders in various tournaments and Congresses, BUT we've never actually had a chance to talk, let alone play (even online...I think)
. So hopefully this will be a great opportunity for both of us! GL HF Gus
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No video for now (I'm typing this in-between classes, I just finished a Probability exam 30 minutes early...feels bad man).
For the first move, it's always really a coin flip between the 4-4 or the 3-4 for me. Both are very common in all levels of Go, from the players who just played their first game to the highest-class professionals. The only aspect where a 3-4 bests the 4-4 is that it has a greater history. It's a shame that, when it comes to the history and cultural aspects of Go, I am about a 20k
. However, if my knowledge is correct, it was Go Seigen who pioneered the widespread usage of the 4-4; senseis also says:
Only in the twentieth century, and especially with the introduction of komi, did it begin to rival 3-4 point and 3-5 point openings as a common corner move.
Anyways, on the board each have their pros and cons. The general jist is that, the 3-4 is more territorial and the 4-4 is more influential. This is because the 4-4 leaves open the 3-3 for invasion at any time, allowing Black to live cleanly. However, the timing behind the invasion is essential because if it's played too soon, then the thickness I get outweighs in value the corner territory that Black would get. Even in this simple invasion there are a wealth of variations to discover, some of which you can find here:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?33PointInvasion And for those who'd like to know more about the 3-4 and 4-4 points in general, once again the senseis articles are excellent:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?34Point and
http://senseis.xmp.net/?44Point I'll try not to refer to articles so much
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:36 am
by Kirby
Looking forward to this game
Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:42 pm
by Tabemasu
Well, I guess he sort of introduced me in his post, so no need to I guess
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Have a good game!
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:19 pm
by Solomon
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:28 am
by Tabemasu
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Blacks opening is unexpected. The reason is because if I approach either of his komokus around a or b, the direction is excellent for white. It's a little unreasonable to expect I won't get at least one.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:06 am
by Violence
Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:42 am
by Kirby
I was hoping that there'd be more of an explanation of the reason behind playing
, especially due to Tabemasu's comments about it, but the only reason I could find was because it "looks cool" and because it shows up in some pro games.
Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:18 am
by ChradH
Kirby wrote:
I was hoping that there'd be more of an explanation of the reason behind playing
, especially due to Tabemasu's comments about it, but the only reason I could find was because it "looks cool" and because it shows up in some pro games.
From some players' comments in other Malkovich games I already got the impression that people tend to play a bit more 'for the audience' than their normal style. This may be an understandable reaction when the whole internet is staring over your shoulder
But on the other hand, especially black might get more out of the game analysis if his normal moves get commented (and/or punished).
Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:59 pm
by Solomon
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:39 pm
by Tabemasu
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I expect he will play the mini chinese next, in which case I will take the big point I talked about last time at 2. If this happens then it looks like it might be a moyo game.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:40 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Sol,
Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:59 pm
by Solomon
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Sol,
Hmmm, well I added a URL to the video instead of just an embeddable video, but other than that I don't think there's anything I can do to fix that
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:21 pm
by Solomon
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:38 am
by Kirby
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:23 am
by fwiffo
. So hopefully this will be a great opportunity for both of us! GL HF Gus 
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, especially due to Tabemasu's comments about it, but the only reason I could find was because it "looks cool" and because it shows up in some pro games.