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My first game on KGS
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:22 pm
by hoshizora
The following is my first game on KGS; I appreciate any suggestions as to how I can improve my play.
My intuition regarding the game I played is that I lost it in the moves following 126 when I was unable to secure the upper section of the board.
Prior to this I've played games against the AIs and read beginner articles on general principles; I haven't learned any particular joseki, fuseki, or other patterns.
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=601
Re: My first game on KGS
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:53 am
by lorill
Three things while waiting for Bill :
1. You don't need to close your territories so soon (ex: moves 9 & 11, and many times later on)
2. Try to avoid making two weak groups too close from each other (ex: move 13. Your right one still needs some care)
3. Don't squeeze the toothpaste :
http://senseis.xmp.net/?SqueezingOutTheToothpaste (ex: moves 81 to 100)
Hope this helps ; welcome to the forums and the game!
Re: My first game on KGS
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:22 am
by EdLee
A few ideas:
(;CA[utf-8]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]GM[1]FF[4]ST[2]C[
]AP[CGoban:3]SZ[19]RU[Japanese]DT[2010-12-12]
PC[KGS]PB[hoshizora]PW[suiyi]KM[6.5]TM[600]RE[W+38.5]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[dd]BL[595.776];W[pp]WL[597.969];B[pd]BL[592.376];W[dp]WL[595.671];B[qn]BL[589.065]
;W[qo]WL[593.53]
(;B[rn]BL[582.708]C[Wrong shape. Missed the vital point. See var.]N[(a)]
(;W[ro]WL[591.43]C[W missed the vital point. See var.]N[(a)]
(;B[so]BL[577.456]C[See var.]N[(a)];W[sp]WL[589.405];B[sn]BL[575.699];W[rq]WL[588.635]
;B[nq]BL[568.551]
(;W[oq]WL[584.146]C[See var.]N[(a)]
(;B[nr]BL[558.203]C[See var.]N[(a)];W[pn]WL[581.286];B[pm]BL[554.163]
(;W[on]WL[579.982]C[See var.]N[(a)];B[om]BL[551.422];W[nn]WL[578.469]
(;B[nm]BL[543.175]C[This is now hurting the bottom 2 stones. See var.]N[(a)];W[mn]
WL[577.018];B[ll]BL[540.454]
(;W[kn]WL[572.794]C[See var.]N[(a)];B[km]BL[530.627];W[jm]WL[558.616];B[jl]BL[510.83]
;W[in]WL[555.14];B[im]BL[507.252];W[jn]WL[553.772];B[kq]BL[496.72];W[iq]WL[551.369]
;B[jq]BL[493.46];W[ip]WL[550.142];B[ir]BL[490.552];W[hr]WL[548.591];B[is]BL[489.016]
;W[hs]WL[546.421];B[jr]BL[485.804];W[gq]WL[506.763];B[lp]BL[468.156];W[lo]WL[503.224]
;B[mp]BL[461.183];W[np]WL[494.063]
(;B[mq]BL[456.995]C[See var.]N[(a)];W[mo]WL[490.876];B[or]BL[446.143];W[pr]WL[489.369]
;B[ps]BL[424.588];W[qs]WL[487.65];B[os]BL[422.926]
(;W[rr]WL[484.18]C[Too small now. See var.]N[(a)];B[hm]BL[395.282];W[cj]WL[468.67]
;B[ch]BL[388.78];W[dm]WL[462.638];B[fm]BL[373.98];W[il]WL[461.236];B[ik]BL[364.029]
;W[gm]WL[438.461];B[gl]BL[336.191];W[hn]WL[432.061]
(;B[hl]BL[326.721]C[See var.]N[(a)];W[gn]WL[430.06];B[fn]BL[314.356];W[fo]WL[428.173]
;B[en]BL[309.364];W[dn]WL[424.005];B[fl]BL[296.464];W[eo]WL[422.383];B[dl]BL[270.438]
;W[cl]WL[419.281];B[dk]BL[267.64];W[ck]WL[417.806];B[bi]BL[253.2];W[di]WL[414.356]
;B[dh]BL[248.884];W[ei]WL[413.159];B[gi]BL[219.703];W[eh]WL[408.395]
(;B[eg]BL[213.282]C[Make bad shape for yourself and push W into your huge right-side moyo. See var.]
N[(a)];W[fh]WL[407.07]
(;B[gh]BL[211.438]C[Bad. Make broken shape for yourself. See var.]N[(a)];W[fg]WL[405.646]
TR[eg][gh]SQ[fh][fg]C[Broken shape for B.];B[ef]BL[206.66];W[ff]WL[404.248];B[fe]
BL[194.033];W[gf]WL[402.692];B[ge]BL[188.12];W[hf]WL[401.328];B[jf]BL[183.068];W[ig]
WL[387.466];B[ii]BL[173.034];W[jg]WL[385.357];B[kf]BL[170.462];W[kg]WL[383.898]
;B[lf]BL[163.406];W[lg]WL[381.473];B[mg]BL[161.807];W[li]WL[377.999];B[kj]BL[139.711]
;W[mh]WL[370.12];B[ng]BL[129.799];W[nh]WL[368.745];B[oh]BL[126.218];W[oi]WL[367.652]
;B[ph]BL[120.343];W[pi]WL[366.271];B[lj]BL[108.568];W[mj]WL[363.823];B[mk]BL[106.016]
;W[nj]WL[362.044];B[nk]BL[103.808];W[ok]WL[361.013];B[ol]BL[97.861];W[pk]WL[359.449]
;B[mm]BL[76.426];W[qc]WL[352.489];B[pc]BL[68.856];W[qd]WL[350.814];B[qe]BL[65.101]
;W[re]WL[349.808];B[rf]BL[58.395];W[se]WL[348.115];B[qf]BL[51.472];W[hc]WL[333.256]
;B[he]BL[46.753];W[db]WL[329.997];B[bc]BL[35.617];W[cc]WL[325.233];B[cd]BL[31.563]
;W[bb]WL[322.323];B[dc]BL[25.02];W[cb]WL[320.154];B[bd]BL[13.516];W[ec]WL[315.261]
;B[ed]BL[10.195];W[fc]WL[314.005];B[ab]BL[6.215];W[lc]WL[295.013];OB[5]B[nc]BL[20]
;W[md]WL[285.725];OB[5]B[nd]BL[20];W[me]WL[284.29];OB[5]B[mf]BL[20];W[ne]WL[283.074]
;OB[5]B[oe]BL[20];W[nf]WL[258.64];OB[5]B[of]BL[20];W[jd]WL[246.402];OB[5]B[ie]BL[20]
;W[je]WL[242.316];OB[5]B[if]BL[20];W[hg]WL[240.843];OB[5]B[mb]BL[20];W[lb]WL[238.961]
;OB[5]B[ma]BL[20];W[la]WL[237.231];OB[5]B[mc]BL[20];W[ld]WL[232.608];OB[5]B[qb]
BL[20];W[rb]WL[231.098];OB[5]B[qa]BL[20];W[ra]WL[228.867];OB[5]B[pb]BL[20];W[sc]
WL[218.888];OB[5]B[qi]BL[20];W[qj]WL[216.683];OB[5]B[ri]BL[20];W[rj]WL[214.765]
;OB[5]B[sj]BL[20];W[sk]WL[212.609];OB[5]B[si]BL[20];W[rl]WL[211.033];OB[5]B[qm]
BL[20];W[ql]WL[209.413];OB[5]B[ki]BL[20];W[kh]WL[207.077];OB[5]B[jh]BL[20];W[fj]
WL[203.685];OB[5]B[gj]BL[20];W[fk]WL[202.238];OB[5]B[el]BL[20];W[gk]WL[195.475]
;OB[5]B[hk]BL[20];W[bj]WL[178.505];OB[5]B[ai]BL[20];W[aj]WL[176.704];OB[5]B[ci]
BL[20];W[dj]WL[175.371];OB[5]B[hh]BL[20];W[fi]WL[171.897];OB[5]B[ih]BL[20];W[cq]
WL[166.267];OB[5]B[lm]BL[20];W[ln]WL[162.701];OB[5]B[jp]BL[20];W[io]WL[148.796]
;OB[5]B[ko]BL[20];W[jo]WL[147.265];OB[5]B[kp]BL[20];W[ba]WL[80.591];OB[5]B[sf]BL[20]
;W[rd]WL[77.225];OB[5]B[id]BL[20];W[ic]WL[74.948];OB[5]B[gd]BL[20];W[gc]WL[73.491]
;OB[5]B[pl]BL[20];W[rm]WL[52.064];OB[5]B[ke]BL[20];W[kd]WL[48.918];OB[4]B[ek]BL[20]
;W[sm]WL[21.859];OB[4]B[fd]BL[20];OW[5]W[gg]WL[20];OB[3]B[ij]BL[20];OW[4]W[]WL[20]
;OB[3]B[]BL[20]TB[jj][na][oa][pa][nb][ob][oc][ad][od][ae][be][ce][de][ee][pe][af]
[bf][cf][df][pf][ag][bg][cg][dg][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][ah][bh][qh][rh][sh][hi][ji]
[hj][jk][kk][lk][il][kl][ml][nl][lq][kr][lr][mr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]TW[fp][gp][hp]
[op][qp][rp][aq][bq][dq][eq][fq][hq][pq][qq][sq][ib][br][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][qr]
[sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][rs][ss][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][sa]
[eb][fb][gb][hb][jb][kb][sb][jc][kc][rc][sd][lh][mi][ni][oj][pj][ak][bk][qk][rk]
[al][bl][sl][am][bm][cm][ar][an][bn][cn][ao][bo][co][do][go][ho][no][oo][po][ap]
[bp][cp][ep]C[suiyi: thx
hoshizora [?]: gg
hoshizora [?]: thanks for the game
])
(;B[hg]N[(b)]))
(;B[gg]C[You want the huge right side.]N[(b)]))
(;B[gn]C[This capture is better.]N[(b)]))
(;W[jc]C[W can tenuki and take a big point.]N[(b)]))
(;B[lr]N[(b)]))
(;W[kq]N[(b)]))
(;B[kq]C[Help this group.]N[(b)]))
(;W[om]C[W can double hane because W is very strong here.]N[(b)];B[pl];W[ol];B[pk]
;W[kq]C[Now your 2 stones are under attack.]))
(;B[np]C[The same vital point.]N[(b)]))
(;W[pn]N[(b)];B[pm];W[om];B[pl];W[ol];B[pk];W[kq]))
(;B[pn]C[Still this vital point.]N[(b)]))
(;W[pn]C[W gets the vital point and a powerful shape.]N[(b)]))
(;B[pn]C[Vital point (for both B and W).]N[(b)];W[np];B[qj]C[B is happy with this result because it is a perfect jump from the 2 stones.]))
Re: My first game on KGS
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:41 am
by hoshizora
Thank you both very much for your advice! I really appreciate the effort you spent looking through a newbie's game.
It does look like the toothpaste squeeze at 81 lost me the upper region.
Ed points out Q6 (and later O4) as vital points; is there a reference I could read to understand how he diagnoses these locations?
Re: My first game on KGS
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:21 pm
by hoshizora
For what it's worth, I found the reasoning behind Ed's vital points here:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?DiagonalAttachmentFollowUp