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98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:20 am
by Solomon
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There's two other Malkovich games I'm in, but Gus and I talked on SC2 and he lost interest in the whole Malkovich business and the game w/ Joaz just wilted away. I also felt a bit too much pressure in that game to write a lot/videoblog so it was more work than fun. Anyways, new beginnings. Will try not to make SC2 references; memes are fair game though.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:57 am
by Magicwand
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i lost to him when i played in KGS. i gave him too much respect and didnt play my game back then.
now i know i am strong as he is. this will be intresting game for everyone.
enjoy!

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:42 am
by Jedo
Nice :cool:

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:10 pm
by Violence
I look forward to seeing how solch will play against Mwand.

I know my games with Araban just look like big blobs of murder.

Should be a fun time.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:42 pm
by Solomon
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It's my favorite opening. Unfortunately I can't really explain to you why it is an opening I enjoy so much, you'd be better off asking me why my favorite color is blue, or why my favorite Go vocabulary is tewari. You may be thinking "but your opening is flatter than a flitter", and you'd be thinking right so I'd just put on my poker face.

And oh it's also the same opening I used against Magicwand in the L19 tourney.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:14 pm
by Magicwand
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what i noticed about sol:
he is strong but lacks experience. i think i have upper hand in complicated fighting.
i will start slow and maintain my komi. soon as i have chance i will start fighting.
that is my gameplan.

i always start two star point when i play white.
i really dont care how he start the beginning. i will lay low till i get my chance.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:16 pm
by Bill Spight
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In his recent writings Go Seigen disapproves of :w2:, because it allows the opposing 3-4 with :b3:.

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:b3: is questionable, as it invites an approach that works well with White's stone in the bottom left corner. However, as I recall, Kitani played this way against Go Seigen, and Kitani was no slouch.

For White's next play I predict one of the :w4: points.


Edit: That's one for me. ;)

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:03 pm
by Tommie
two strong players of this forum matching up is very exciting ! :bow:

Bill Spight wrote:
In his recent writings Go Seigen disapproves of :w2:, because it allows the opposing 3-4 with :b3:.

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:b3: is questionable, as it invites an approach that works well with White's stone in the bottom left corner. However, as I recall, Kitani played this way against Go Seigen, and Kitani was no slouch.

For White's next play I predict one of the :w4: points.



Bill, I think there almost no need to hide our comments,
as both players know this theory
and also will know that Go Seigen and Kitani knew.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:43 am
by Solomon
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I prefer lighter, more efficiency play than solid territorial play. Went over a lot of games from Cho Hunhyun in 2008 which probably influenced my mindset. Q10 is also possible but I don't like investing 3 moves on the side like that so early in the game...you can probably guess which popular opening I'm not a fan of. I heard Go Seigen also doesn't like it either!

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:53 am
by Magicwand
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i selected high instead of knight move.
i am luring him to approach from other side..although i dont think it's his style..

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:16 pm
by Solomon
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I like being all over the place at once. I could play L17 to form the mini-Chinese formation on top, but I'll be honest I really only play the mini-Chinese because it looks cool, not because I know it very well. I know the basic, dumbed down theory behind it (thanks senseis) but that's about it.

I'm probably DDK when it comes to opening theory; it's because I hold little regard to it and if so many people didn't feel so flustered about it I'd probably pull a Gan Shiyang or 'sum' in most of my games.

Anyways, depending on how he responds I may still play the mini-Chinese later on because...yeah, coolness.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:25 pm
by Magicwand
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i will try something new. hopefully this will give him some discomfort.
i think i am strong enough to invent my own joseky.

main reason why i played this move:
1. i dont want him to feel comfortable. if i answer simple knight move then i am following his lead.
2. his inexperience will give me edge when we are fighting unfamiliar battle.
3. i love trying something new. and i think it is good move.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:42 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Big fan of magicwand's move.

Also, he just gave me the best example ever for showing off my website.

Check out the move he just played: http://dailyjoseki.com/browse/bwpwxibvt

As you can see, pros almost never play it without having all three star points.

I gather that it's probably not appropriate on this board. But can Araban punish it? I sure don't know how...

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:45 pm
by jts
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Big fan of magicwand's move.

Also, he just gave me the best example ever for showing off my website.

Check out the move he just played: http://dailyjoseki.com/browse/bwpwxibvt

As you can see, pros almost never play it without having all three star points.

I gather that it's probably not appropriate on this board. But can Araban punish it? I sure don't know how...


Magicwand will want C10 to finish the upper left joseki anyway, right?

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:55 pm
by amnal
jts wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Big fan of magicwand's move.

Also, he just gave me the best example ever for showing off my website.

Check out the move he just played: http://dailyjoseki.com/browse/bwpwxibvt

As you can see, pros almost never play it without having all three star points.

I gather that it's probably not appropriate on this board. But can Araban punish it? I sure don't know how...


Magicwand will want C10 to finish the upper left joseki anyway, right?


Yes, but black knows this just as well as white. Since it's black's turn, he has the opportunity to mess up white's plans by preventing white from making the formation that he wants, or playing a move that makes that formation poor.

This doesn't actually mean that he has to try hard to do this, he might pursue his own plan that he feels counters white, but the situation is not so simple as to give white what he wants easily.
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