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Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:38 pm
by Loons
I sneakily made another account to try playing some games higher than my current rank, just to see how it was... So here is a 2k taking white no komi against me.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[zenkoji]PB[Sphenodon]WR[2k]DT[2010-04-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at
http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Sphenodon [?]: hi, gg
]RE[W+10.50]
;B[pc]BL[1490.331]
;W[dq]WL[1494.362]
;B[ce]BL[1486.503]
;W[pp]WL[1489.51]
;B[do]BL[1483.459]
;W[co]WL[1480.957]
;B[dp]BL[1480.825]
;W[cp]WL[1478.827]
;B[eq]BL[1479.076]
;W[cq]WL[1477.064]
;B[dn]BL[1472.539]
;W[cm]WL[1474.896]
;B[er]BL[1469.304]
;W[mq]WL[1467.337]
;B[jd]BL[1444.628]
;W[ec]WL[1460.5]
;B[cc]BL[1440.628]
;W[hc]WL[1457.255]
;B[qe]BL[1434.487]
;W[he]WL[1447.469]
;B[qn]BL[1378.998]
;W[qp]WL[1443.182]
;B[kq]BL[1368.566]
;W[mo]WL[1440.309]
;B[ko]BL[1361.326]
;W[jb]WL[1435.869]
;B[lc]BL[1341.217]
;W[qj]WL[1416.602]
;B[oq]BL[1336.754]
;W[np]WL[1410.586]
;B[rq]BL[1333.593]
;W[rp]WL[1403.444]
;B[qq]BL[1329.96]
;W[pq]WL[1401.5]
;B[pr]BL[1327.364]
;W[nr]WL[1395.616]
;B[rr]BL[1312.388]
;W[or]WL[1389.599]
;B[qs]BL[1308.829]
;W[qg]WL[1385.094]
;B[pi]BL[1294.283]
;W[qi]WL[1381.599]
;B[pg]BL[1292.425]
;W[pf]WL[1379.686]
;B[qf]BL[1288.41]
;W[ph]WL[1376.645]
;B[og]BL[1285.773]
;W[oh]WL[1374.963]
;B[nm]BL[1243.954]
;W[mm]WL[1368.462]
;B[nk]BL[1240.628]
;W[ml]WL[1363.22]
;B[nh]BL[1231.89]
;W[ng]WL[1359.166]
;B[of]BL[1228.874]
;W[ni]WL[1357.134]
;B[mh]BL[1226.112]
;W[mi]WL[1355.017]
;B[oi]BL[1221.3]
;W[qh]WL[1348.148]
;B[mj]BL[1218.134]
;W[lh]WL[1337.937]
;B[li]BL[1207.818]
;W[mg]WL[1335.293]
;B[lj]BL[1190.432]
;W[nl]WL[1326.23]
;B[ok]BL[1187.971]
;W[pl]WL[1316.898]
;B[ol]BL[1184.385]
;W[om]WL[1313.53]
;B[nn]BL[1089.677]
;W[pm]WL[1303.983]
;B[pk]BL[1066.07]
;W[qk]WL[1298.566]
;B[kl]BL[1013.307]
;W[km]WL[1281.345]
;B[lm]BL[993.513]
;W[ll]WL[1266.778]
;B[ln]BL[990.263]
;W[mn]WL[1263.227]
;B[kk]BL[987.658]
;W[kn]WL[1257.881]
;B[lo]BL[984.756]
;W[im]WL[1254.653]
;B[in]BL[980.108]
;W[jl]WL[1249.251]
;B[jn]BL[937.869]
;W[jm]WL[1242.953]
;B[hm]BL[930.124]
;W[hl]WL[1226.568]
;B[jk]BL[926.671]
;W[il]WL[1223.607]
;B[gl]BL[921.529]
;W[hk]WL[1220.348]
;B[hj]BL[908.946]
;W[gk]WL[1212.835]
;B[gj]BL[900.547]
;W[fl]WL[1201.352]
;B[fk]BL[884.858]
;W[gm]WL[1194.609]
;B[hn]BL[882.815]
;W[ek]WL[1191.795]
;B[fj]BL[873.64]
;W[el]WL[1185.442]
;B[ik]BL[866.348]
;W[gl]WL[1181.662]
;B[ej]BL[859.147]
;W[ck]WL[1174.134]
;B[ci]BL[853.891]
;W[fo]WL[1166.326]
;B[fp]BL[842.004]
;W[go]WL[1161.843]
;B[ip]BL[832.425]
;W[ho]WL[1151.845]
;B[io]BL[820.672]
;W[gq]WL[1135.23]
;B[gp]BL[818.142]
;W[hp]WL[1132.253]
;B[hq]BL[815.972]
;W[iq]WL[1130.256]
;B[hr]BL[813.84]
;W[jq]WL[1127.976]
;B[jp]BL[806.735]
;W[ee]WL[1112.963]
;B[dg]BL[788.304]
;W[nc]WL[1105.074]
;B[nd]BL[778.343]
;W[oe]WL[1095.353]
;B[pe]BL[772.443]
;W[nf]WL[1092.798]
;B[od]BL[766.868]
;W[mc]WL[1078.048]
;B[md]BL[762.86]
;W[lb]WL[1075.521]
;B[kc]BL[740.485]
;W[kb]WL[1073.485]
;B[sp]BL[684.112]
;W[so]WL[1068.458]
;B[sq]BL[682.095]
;W[ro]WL[1066.77]
;B[gg]BL[635.582]
;W[ff]WL[1049.979]
;B[fg]BL[631.126]
;W[df]WL[1043.97]
;B[cf]BL[627.329]
;W[jh]WL[1041.294]
;B[ii]BL[615.021]
;W[pf]WL[1033.791]
;B[db]BL[585.956]
;W[eb]WL[1029.351]
;B[ea]BL[583.194]
;W[fa]WL[1025.815]
;B[da]BL[581.404]
;W[dc]WL[1018.961]
;B[cb]BL[576.366]
;W[jc]WL[1015.489]
;B[kd]BL[546.089]
;W[ob]WL[1012.581]
;B[pb]BL[543.458]
;W[pa]WL[1010.732]
;B[qa]BL[540.978]
;W[oa]WL[1008.594]
;B[rb]BL[530.593]
;W[le]WL[1005.476]
;B[ld]BL[526.513]
;W[bj]WL[999.947]
;B[bi]BL[523.405]
;W[ai]WL[996.505]
;B[ah]BL[521.049]
;W[aj]WL[994.246]
;B[bg]BL[518.978]
;W[kr]WL[990.811]
;B[jr]BL[515.188]
;W[lq]WL[981.472]
;B[ir]BL[511.824]
;W[lr]WL[979.379]
;B[bs]BL[508.016]
;W[br]WL[976.155]
;B[ds]BL[501.546]
;W[cr]WL[971.666]
;B[cs]BL[499.261]
;W[cn]WL[966.109]
;B[cj]BL[495.637]
;W[bk]WL[963.115]
;B[oc]BL[492.51]
;W[nb]WL[958.738]
;B[id]BL[436.176]
;W[hd]WL[951.29]
;B[fb]BL[428.275]
;W[ga]WL[939.451]
;B[gb]BL[425.322]
;W[ha]WL[937.335]
;B[hb]BL[423.628]
;W[ia]WL[923.645]
;B[ib]BL[420.593]
;W[ja]WL[921.69]
;B[ic]BL[418.224]
;W[if]WL[914.306]
;B[ih]BL[407.649]
;W[jg]WL[910.919]
;B[ed]BL[376.802]
;W[dd]WL[901.622]
;B[fd]BL[367.293]
;W[fc]WL[899.452]
;B[de]BL[334.573]
;W[fe]WL[894.908]
;B[cd]BL[325.841]
;W[gc]WL[886.743]
;B[kf]BL[311.88]
;W[lf]WL[874.727]
;B[jf]BL[305.353]
;W[ig]WL[871.758]
;B[kg]BL[290.896]
;W[kh]WL[868.997]
;B[rg]BL[267.308]
;W[rh]WL[866.28]
;B[sf]BL[264.245]
;W[hg]WL[858.975]
;B[hh]BL[258.957]
;W[ef]WL[853.478]
;B[eg]BL[247.331]
;W[gf]WL[850.725]
;B[ar]BL[221.595]
;W[aq]WL[848.031]
;B[dl]BL[193.819]
;W[dk]WL[829.247]
;B[dm]BL[190.509]
;W[dj]WL[826.917]
;B[di]BL[187.973]
;W[ji]WL[818.381]
;B[cl]BL[176.271]
;W[bl]WL[815.002]
;B[ne]BL[134.585]
;W[of]WL[808.182]
;B[lp]BL[47.59]
;W[os]WL[802.107]
;B[ps]BL[44.496]
;W[mp]WL[793.569]
;B[as]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dr]WL[787.342]
;B[es]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[sh]WL[785.297]
;B[gr]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[js]WL[768.487]
;B[is]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ks]WL[766.345]
;B[sg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[en]WL[755.074]
;B[gn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[em]WL[740.13]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[eo]WL[736.678]
;B[ep]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pj]WL[698.905]
;B[oj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mk]WL[695.229]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[kj]WL[693.601]
;B[lk]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ki]WL[670.455]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lg]WL[667.932]
;B[me]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ke]WL[665.86]
;B[je]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ie]WL[664.315]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mf]WL[657.509]
;B[am]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[bn]WL[641.77]
;B[ap]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[bq]WL[637.951]
;B[an]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ao]WL[635.225]
;B[bo]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[al]WL[629.06]
;B[]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[]WL[629.059]TW[ka][la][ma][na][mb][ed][fd][gd][ge][hf][og][pg][mh][nh][ri][si][rj][sj][ak][rk][sk][ql][rl][sl][am][bm][nm][qm][rm][sm][an][nn][on][pn][qn][rn][sn][ao][bo][no][oo][po][qo][ap][bp][op][nq][oq][mr][ls][ms][ns]TB[aa][ba][ca][ra][sa][ab][bb][qb][sb][ac][bc][qc][rc][sc][ad][bd][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][re][se][af][bf][rf][ag][cg][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][ei][fi][gi][hi][jo][kp][fq][gq][iq][jq][fr][qr][sr][fs][gs][hs][rs][ss])
I'm a bit depressed, 'cause I lost, and I think this is about as well as I can play... It's not even close without me managing to snap his overplay near the end, and that wouldn't even have worked properly if he'd been thinking... I can work on endgame order so I don't lose sente so meaninglessly, but the early/mid ...
If you can point at specific areas of my game / types of moves I need to work hard on, it'd be much appreciated...
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:09 pm
by wossname
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]PW[zenkoji]PB[Sphenodon]WR[2k]DT[2010-04-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a><!-- m -->]C[Sphenodon [?]:hi,gg]RE[W 10.50];B[pc]BL[1490.331];W[dq]WL[1494.362];B[ce]BL[1486.503];W[pp]WL[1489.51];B[do]BL[1483.459];W[co]WL[1480.957](;B[dp]BL[1480.825]C[The wrong direction!];W[cp]WL[1478.827];B[eq]BL[1479.076];W[cq]WL[1477.064];B[dn]BL[1472.539];W[cm]WL[1474.896](;B[er]BL[1469.304];W[mq]WL[1467.337]C[white's move is a good way to punish your choice of direction. this restrains the potential development of your stones in bottom left. Your top left stone naturally prefers to develop the left side, but C7 is also in place to spoil this.];B[jd]BL[1444.628];W[ec]WL[1460.5];B[cc]BL[1440.628];W[hc]WL[1457.255]C[White found a reasonable way to negotiate your formation.];B[qe]BL[1434.487](;W[he]WL[1447.469](;B[qn]BL[1378.998];W[qp]WL[1443.182](;B[kq]BL[1368.566];W[mo]WL[1440.309];B[ko]BL[1361.326];W[jb]WL[1435.869](;B[lc]BL[1341.217];W[qj]WL[1416.602];B[oq]BL[1336.754];W[np]WL[1410.586];B[rq]BL[1333.593];W[rp]WL[1403.444];B[qq]BL[1329.96];W[pq]WL[1401.5];B[pr]BL[1327.364];W[nr]WL[1395.616];B[rr]BL[1312.388];W[or]WL[1389.599];B[qs]BL[1308.829];W[qg]WL[1385.094]C[white is a little speedier so far](;B[pi]BL[1294.283];W[qi]WL[1381.599];B[pg]BL[1292.425];W[pf]WL[1379.686];B[qf]BL[1288.41];W[ph]WL[1376.645];B[og]BL[1285.773];W[oh]WL[1374.963];B[nm]BL[1243.954];W[mm]WL[1368.462]C[this move is questionable to me, but it is clear that he is attacking you on a large scale now.];B[nk]BL[1240.628];W[ml]WL[1363.22];B[nh]BL[1231.89];W[ng]WL[1359.166];B[of]BL[1228.874];W[ni]WL[1357.134];B[mh]BL[1226.112];W[mi]WL[1355.017];B[oi]BL[1221.3];W[qh]WL[1348.148];B[mj]BL[1218.134](;W[lh]WL[1337.937];B[li]BL[1207.818];W[mg]WL[1335.293];B[lj]BL[1190.432];W[nl]WL[1326.23];B[ok]BL[1187.971];W[pl]WL[1316.898];B[ol]BL[1184.385];W[om]WL[1313.53];B[nn]BL[1089.677];W[pm]WL[1303.983];B[pk]BL[1066.07];W[qk]WL[1298.566];B[kl]BL[1013.307];W[km]WL[1281.345];B[lm]BL[993.513];W[ll]WL[1266.778];B[ln]BL[990.263];W[mn]WL[1263.227];B[kk]BL[987.658];W[kn]WL[1257.881];B[lo]BL[984.756];W[im]WL[1254.653](;B[in]BL[980.108]C[the vital point, but...];W[jl]WL[1249.251](;B[jn]BL[937.869];W[jm]WL[1242.953];B[hm]BL[930.124];W[hl]WL[1226.568];B[jk]BL[926.671];W[il]WL[1223.607];B[gl]BL[921.529];W[hk]WL[1220.348];B[hj]BL[908.946];W[gk]WL[1212.835];B[gj]BL[900.547];W[fl]WL[1201.352];B[fk]BL[884.858];W[gm]WL[1194.609];B[hn]BL[882.815];W[ek]WL[1191.795];B[fj]BL[873.64];W[el]WL[1185.442];B[ik]BL[866.348];W[gl]WL[1181.662];B[ej]BL[859.147];W[ck]WL[1174.134];B[ci]BL[853.891];W[fo]WL[1166.326];B[fp]BL[842.004];W[go]WL[1161.843];B[ip]BL[832.425];W[ho]WL[1151.845](;B[io]BL[820.672];W[gq]WL[1135.23];B[gp]BL[818.142];W[hp]WL[1132.253];B[hq]BL[815.972];W[iq]WL[1130.256];B[hr]BL[813.84];W[jq]WL[1127.976];B[jp]BL[806.735];W[ee]WL[1112.963];B[dg]BL[788.304];W[nc]WL[1105.074];B[nd]BL[778.343];W[oe]WL[1095.353];B[pe]BL[772.443];W[nf]WL[1092.798];B[od]BL[766.868];W[mc]WL[1078.048];B[md]BL[762.86];W[lb]WL[1075.521];B[kc]BL[740.485];W[kb]WL[1073.485]C[no more comments left. white has wrapped up the game];B[sp]BL[684.112];W[so]WL[1068.458];B[sq]BL[682.095];W[ro]WL[1066.77];B[gg]BL[635.582];W[ff]WL[1049.979];B[fg]BL[631.126];W[df]WL[1043.97];B[cf]BL[627.329];W[jh]WL[1041.294];B[ii]BL[615.021];W[pf]WL[1033.791];B[db]BL[585.956];W[eb]WL[1029.351];B[ea]BL[583.194];W[fa]WL[1025.815];B[da]BL[581.404];W[dc]WL[1018.961];B[cb]BL[576.366];W[jc]WL[1015.489];B[kd]BL[546.089];W[ob]WL[1012.581];B[pb]BL[543.458];W[pa]WL[1010.732];B[qa]BL[540.978];W[oa]WL[1008.594];B[rb]BL[530.593];W[le]WL[1005.476];B[ld]BL[526.513];W[bj]WL[999.947];B[bi]BL[523.405];W[ai]WL[996.505];B[ah]BL[521.049];W[aj]WL[994.246];B[bg]BL[518.978];W[kr]WL[990.811];B[jr]BL[515.188];W[lq]WL[981.472];B[ir]BL[511.824];W[lr]WL[979.379];B[bs]BL[508.016];W[br]WL[976.155];B[ds]BL[501.546];W[cr]WL[971.666];B[cs]BL[499.261];W[cn]WL[966.109];B[cj]BL[495.637];W[bk]WL[963.115];B[oc]BL[492.51];W[nb]WL[958.738];B[id]BL[436.176];W[hd]WL[951.29];B[fb]BL[428.275];W[ga]WL[939.451];B[gb]BL[425.322];W[ha]WL[937.335];B[hb]BL[423.628];W[ia]WL[923.645];B[ib]BL[420.593];W[ja]WL[921.69];B[ic]BL[418.224];W[if]WL[914.306];B[ih]BL[407.649];W[jg]WL[910.919];B[ed]BL[376.802];W[dd]WL[901.622];B[fd]BL[367.293];W[fc]WL[899.452];B[de]BL[334.573];W[fe]WL[894.908];B[cd]BL[325.841];W[gc]WL[886.743];B[kf]BL[311.88];W[lf]WL[874.727];B[jf]BL[305.353];W[ig]WL[871.758];B[kg]BL[290.896];W[kh]WL[868.997];B[rg]BL[267.308];W[rh]WL[866.28];B[sf]BL[264.245];W[hg]WL[858.975];B[hh]BL[258.957];W[ef]WL[853.478];B[eg]BL[247.331];W[gf]WL[850.725];B[ar]BL[221.595];W[aq]WL[848.031];B[dl]BL[193.819];W[dk]WL[829.247];B[dm]BL[190.509];W[dj]WL[826.917];B[di]BL[187.973];W[ji]WL[818.381];B[cl]BL[176.271];W[bl]WL[815.002];B[ne]BL[134.585];W[of]WL[808.182];B[lp]BL[47.59];W[os]WL[802.107];B[ps]BL[44.496];W[mp]WL[793.569];B[as]BL[30]OB[5];W[dr]WL[787.342];B[es]BL[30]OB[5];W[sh]WL[785.297];B[gr]BL[30]OB[5];W[js]WL[768.487];B[is]BL[30]OB[5];W[ks]WL[766.345];B[sg]BL[30]OB[5];W[en]WL[755.074];B[gn]BL[30]OB[5];W[em]WL[740.13];B[fn]BL[30]OB[5];W[eo]WL[736.678];B[ep]BL[30]OB[5];W[pj]WL[698.905];B[oj]BL[30]OB[5];W[mk]WL[695.229];B[nj]BL[30]OB[5];W[kj]WL[693.601];B[lk]BL[30]OB[5];W[ki]WL[670.455];B[ij]BL[30]OB[5];W[lg]WL[667.932];B[me]BL[30]OB[5];W[ke]WL[665.86];B[je]BL[30]OB[5];W[ie]WL[664.315];B[fm]BL[30]OB[5];W[mf]WL[657.509];B[am]BL[30]OB[4];W[bn]WL[641.77];B[ap]BL[30]OB[4];W[bq]WL[637.951];B[an]BL[30]OB[4];W[ao]WL[635.225];B[bo]BL[30]OB[4];W[al]WL[629.06];B[]BL[30]OB[4];W[]WL[629.059]TW[ka][la][ma][na][mb][ed][fd][gd][ge][hf][og][pg][mh][nh][ri][si][rj][sj][ak][rk][sk][ql][rl][sl][am][bm][nm][qm][rm][sm][an][nn][on][pn][qn][rn][sn][ao][bo][no][oo][po][qo][ap][bp][op][nq][oq][mr][ls][ms][ns]TB[aa][ba][ca][ra][sa][ab][bb][qb][sb][ac][bc][qc][rc][sc][ad][bd][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][re][se][af][bf][rf][ag][cg][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][ei][fi][gi][hi][jo][kp][fq][gq][iq][jq][fr][qr][sr][fs][gs][hs][rs][ss])(;B[hp]C[perhaps a better way to defend]))(;B[jo]C[better technique, as the forcing move allows you to advance the central group afterwards.];W[jm];B[ij]))(;B[hk]C[advancing on the outside may be more urgent, even if it allows him to force below.]))(;W[li]C[simply, you are pushing him to separate you further. the game is becoming unmanageable, as his outcrop at n7 already implicitly restricts your large moyo on the bottom.]))(;B[km]C[flattening the right is not a bad idea, but to my eye it would be larger to occupy this point. this restricts the right while growing your only large developing area.]))(;B[el]C[A good plan would be to tenuki now (perhaps here, or the right side)]))(;B[qk]C[It would be natural to complete the shape here.]))(;B[iq]C[To my eye, this is the next big place. It secures your bottom left stones with a natural extension.]))(;W[jb]C[I might have expected this next, but it is a 2nd line move]))(;B[fp]C[the usual way to repair the shape (if you are not going to tenuki) but either way is slow.]))(;B[cn];W[cp];B[dn];W[fq];B[dj]C[This joseki would give you a good formation.]))
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:13 pm
by ketchup
I'm pretty weak, but I feel just by glancing at the opening, that you play moves which seem to hurt your own groups more than it helps you win. The problem started at R6 and L3. This was further aggravated by that P3. It seems like it was supposed to be a probe, but turned into a bad invasion(being greedy, trying to live everywhere, rather than poking your opponents to see where it's more profitable to live for you). You seemed to have been going for a moyo in the beginning, but instead it turned into a territorial game to which you were already behind.
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:17 am
by SoDesuNe
Still not stronger than you, just my perspective =)
(;
GM[1]FF[4]VW[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Sphenodon]
PW[zenkoji]
DT[2010-04-29]
PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><A class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</A><!-- m -->]
KM[0.5]
TM[1500]
RU[Japanese]
RE[W+10.50]
WR[2k]
OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[Sphenodon [?]
CA[UTF-8];B[pc]BL[1490.331];W[dq]WL[1494.362];B[ce]
C[SoDesuNe:
Just a random thought: Why did you play here? This move doesn't
work with your top right Komoku. If you want to enclose the corners
then you'll have two corners facing each other - lot of strength
is going to be wasted.]
BL[1486.503];W[pp]WL[1489.51];B[do]BL[1483.459];W[co]WL[1480.957];B[dp]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think, you'll get a worse result here than by playing the usual
C6-Joseki.]
BL[1480.825];W[cp]WL[1478.827]
;B[eq]BL[1479.076];W[cq]WL[1477.064];B[dn]BL[1472.539];W[cm]WL[1474.896];B[er]
C[SoDesuNe:
What I do find interesting aswell: With this choice of play you're
making the whole left side more or less unintersting, because
of White's C7-stone lurking underneath. Your influential corner
stone is now a bit off.]
BL[1469.304];W[mq]
C[SoDesuNe:
White has the corner and your wall is limited by White's bottom
right enclosure.
I heard a while ago, that you shouldn't go for a wall off the
corner, if a) you don't have a stone already extending from it
or b) you'll end in Sente.]
WL[1467.337];B[jd]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think, the normal enclosure would have been better here. R15/D17.
This is not a real extension because your corner can be approached,
and the other side, because of your high C15-Stone you can get
easily invaded.]
BL[1444.628];W[ec]WL[1460.5];B[cc]BL[1440.628];W[hc]WL[1457.255]
;B[qe]BL[1434.487];W[he]WL[1447.469];B[qn]BL[1378.998];W[qp]WL[1443.182];B[kq]
C[SoDesuNe:
You should extend from your R6-stone, in any case. Else why even
play there?]
BL[1368.566];W[mo]WL[1440.309];B[ko]BL[1361.326];W[jb]WL[1435.869];B[lc]BL[1341.217];W[qj]WL[1416.602]
;B[oq]
C[SoDesuNe:
Fine move!]
BL[1336.754];W[np]WL[1410.586];B[rq]BL[1333.593];W[rp]WL[1403.444];B[qq]BL[1329.96];W[pq]WL[1401.5];B[pr]BL[1327.364];W[nr]WL[1395.616];B[rr]BL[1312.388];W[or]WL[1389.599]
;B[qs]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think, this is a good result for Black - locally. Now you have
to reduce the framework of course.]
BL[1308.829];W[qg]WL[1385.094];B[pi]
C[SoDesuNe:
Top!]
BL[1294.283];W[qi]WL[1381.599];B[pg]BL[1292.425];W[pf]WL[1379.686]
(;B[qf]
C[SoDesuNe:
See varaition (just a quick thought).]
BL[1288.41];W[ph]WL[1376.645];B[og]BL[1285.773];W[oh]WL[1374.963]
(;B[nm]
C[SoDesuNe:
Too deep, too near to strength. See variation.]
BL[1243.954];W[mm]WL[1368.462];B[nk]BL[1240.628];W[ml]WL[1363.22]
(;B[nh]
C[SoDesuNe:
See variation.]
BL[1231.89];W[ng]WL[1359.166];B[of]BL[1228.874];W[ni]WL[1357.134];B[mh]BL[1226.112];W[mi]WL[1355.017]
(;B[oi]
C[SoDesuNe:
This move has no use, I think. Destroys the large endgame at
S13.
See variation.]
BL[1221.3];W[qh]WL[1348.148];B[mj]BL[1218.134];W[lh]WL[1337.937];B[li]BL[1207.818];W[mg]WL[1335.293];B[lj]BL[1190.432];W[nl]WL[1326.23];B[ok]BL[1187.971]
;W[pl]WL[1316.898];B[ol]BL[1184.385];W[om]
C[SoDesuNe:
See variation.]
WL[1313.53]
(;B[nn]BL[1089.677];W[pm]WL[1303.983];B[pk]BL[1066.07];W[qk]WL[1298.566];B[kl]BL[1013.307];W[km]WL[1281.345];B[lm]
C[SoDesuNe:
A bit agressive.]
BL[993.513];W[ll]WL[1266.778];B[ln]BL[990.263]
;W[mn]WL[1263.227];B[kk]BL[987.658];W[kn]WL[1257.881];B[lo]BL[984.756];W[im]WL[1254.653]
(;B[in]BL[980.108];W[jl]WL[1249.251];B[jn]BL[937.869];W[jm]WL[1242.953];B[hm]BL[930.124];W[hl]WL[1226.568];B[jk]BL[926.671];W[il]WL[1223.607];B[gl]BL[921.529]
;W[hk]WL[1220.348];B[hj]
C[SoDesuNe:
Neat.]
BL[908.946];W[gk]WL[1212.835];B[gj]BL[900.547];W[fl]WL[1201.352];B[fk]BL[884.858];W[gm]WL[1194.609];B[hn]BL[882.815];W[ek]WL[1191.795];B[fj]BL[873.64]
;W[el]WL[1185.442];B[ik]BL[866.348];W[gl]WL[1181.662];B[ej]BL[859.147];W[ck]WL[1174.134];B[ci]BL[853.891];W[fo]WL[1166.326];B[fp]BL[842.004];W[go]WL[1161.843];B[ip]BL[832.425]
;W[ho]WL[1151.845];B[io]BL[820.672];W[gq]WL[1135.23];B[gp]BL[818.142];W[hp]WL[1132.253];B[hq]BL[815.972];W[iq]WL[1130.256];B[hr]BL[813.84];W[jq]WL[1127.976];B[jp]BL[806.735]
;W[ee]WL[1112.963]
(;B[dg]
C[SoDesuNe:
You are strong, he is strong. I think I'd attach. END OF COMMENTS.]
BL[788.304];W[nc]WL[1105.074];B[nd]BL[778.343];W[oe]WL[1095.353];B[pe]BL[772.443];W[nf]WL[1092.798];B[od]BL[766.868];W[mc]WL[1078.048];B[md]BL[762.86]
;W[lb]WL[1075.521];B[kc]BL[740.485];W[kb]WL[1073.485];B[sp]BL[684.112];W[so]WL[1068.458];B[sq]BL[682.095];W[ro]WL[1066.77];B[gg]BL[635.582];W[ff]WL[1049.979];B[fg]BL[631.126]
;W[df]WL[1043.97];B[cf]BL[627.329];W[jh]WL[1041.294];B[ii]BL[615.021];W[pf]WL[1033.791];B[db]BL[585.956];W[eb]WL[1029.351];B[ea]BL[583.194];W[fa]WL[1025.815];B[da]BL[581.404]
;W[dc]WL[1018.961];B[cb]BL[576.366];W[jc]WL[1015.489];B[kd]BL[546.089];W[ob]WL[1012.581];B[pb]BL[543.458];W[pa]WL[1010.732];B[qa]BL[540.978];W[oa]WL[1008.594];B[rb]BL[530.593]
;W[le]WL[1005.476];B[ld]BL[526.513];W[bj]WL[999.947];B[bi]BL[523.405];W[ai]WL[996.505];B[ah]BL[521.049];W[aj]WL[994.246];B[bg]BL[518.978];W[kr]WL[990.811];B[jr]BL[515.188]
;W[lq]WL[981.472];B[ir]BL[511.824];W[lr]WL[979.379];B[bs]BL[508.016];W[br]WL[976.155];B[ds]BL[501.546];W[cr]WL[971.666];B[cs]BL[499.261];W[cn]WL[966.109];B[cj]BL[495.637]
;W[bk]WL[963.115];B[oc]BL[492.51];W[nb]WL[958.738];B[id]BL[436.176];W[hd]WL[951.29];B[fb]BL[428.275];W[ga]WL[939.451];B[gb]BL[425.322];W[ha]WL[937.335];B[hb]BL[423.628]
;W[ia]WL[923.645];B[ib]BL[420.593];W[ja]WL[921.69];B[ic]BL[418.224];W[if]WL[914.306];B[ih]BL[407.649];W[jg]WL[910.919];B[ed]BL[376.802];W[dd]WL[901.622];B[fd]BL[367.293]
;W[fc]WL[899.452];B[de]BL[334.573];W[fe]WL[894.908];B[cd]BL[325.841];W[gc]WL[886.743];B[kf]BL[311.88];W[lf]WL[874.727];B[jf]BL[305.353];W[ig]WL[871.758];B[kg]BL[290.896]
;W[kh]WL[868.997];B[rg]BL[267.308];W[rh]WL[866.28];B[sf]BL[264.245];W[hg]WL[858.975];B[hh]BL[258.957];W[ef]WL[853.478];B[eg]BL[247.331];W[gf]WL[850.725];B[ar]BL[221.595]
;W[aq]WL[848.031];B[dl]BL[193.819];W[dk]WL[829.247];B[dm]BL[190.509];W[dj]WL[826.917];B[di]BL[187.973];W[ji]WL[818.381];B[cl]BL[176.271];W[bl]WL[815.002];B[ne]BL[134.585]
;W[of]WL[808.182];B[lp]BL[47.59];W[os]WL[802.107];B[ps]BL[44.496];W[mp]WL[793.569];B[as]BL[30]OB[5];W[dr]WL[787.342];B[es]BL[30]OB[5];W[sh]WL[785.297];B[gr]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[js]WL[768.487];B[is]BL[30]OB[5];W[ks]WL[766.345];B[sg]BL[30]OB[5];W[en]WL[755.074];B[gn]BL[30]OB[5];W[em]WL[740.13];B[fn]BL[30]OB[5];W[eo]WL[736.678];B[ep]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pj]WL[698.905];B[oj]BL[30]OB[5];W[mk]WL[695.229];B[nj]BL[30]OB[5];W[kj]WL[693.601];B[lk]BL[30]OB[5];W[ki]WL[670.455];B[ij]BL[30]OB[5];W[lg]WL[667.932];B[me]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ke]WL[665.86];B[je]BL[30]OB[5];W[ie]WL[664.315];B[fm]BL[30]OB[5];W[mf]WL[657.509];B[am]BL[30]OB[4];W[bn]WL[641.77];B[ap]BL[30]OB[4];W[bq]WL[637.951];B[an]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ao]WL[635.225];B[bo]BL[30]OB[4];W[al]WL[629.06];B[tt]BL[30]OB[4];W[tt]TB[ss][rs][hs][gs][fs][sr][qr][fr][jq][iq][gq][fq][kp][jo][hi][gi][fi][ei][gh][fh][eh][dh][ch][bh][cg][ag][rf][bf][af][se][re][be][ae][sd][rd][qd][pd][bd][ad][sc][rc][qc][bc][ac][sb][qb][bb][ab][sa][ra][ca][ba][aa]
TW[ns][ms][ls][mr][oq][nq][op][bp][ap][qo][po][oo][no][bo][ao][sn][rn][qn][pn][on][nn][an][sm][rm][qm][nm][bm][am][sl][rl][ql][sk][rk][ak][sj][rj][si][ri][nh][mh][pg][og][hf][ge][gd][fd][ed][mb][na][ma][la][ka]
WL[629.059])
(;B[ef]))
(;B[ik]
C[SoDesuNe:
I would have tried to kill the White group inside my territory
^^]
))
(;B[pm];W[on];B[pk];W[ql];B[qk];W[rl];B[rk]))
(;B[mk];W[lk];B[lj]
(;W[mj];B[oi])
(;W[li];B[mj];W[kj];B[kk];W[ll];B[ki];W[jj];B[oi])
(;W[lh]
C[SoDesuNe:
That's a proplem. But still a lot of aji.]
;B[mg])))
(;B[mk])
(;B[ng];W[nh];B[mk];W[lk];B[mi];W[mh];B[lj]
C[SoDesuNe:
My idea.]
))
(;B[ng];W[nh];B[mk]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think this is as afar as you can go.]
))
(;B[qh]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe interesting.]
))
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:17 pm
by Jonas
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There are many professional games where pros played "the wrong direction" simply because they had a plan. But I think you need to take sente somewhere to play lower right corner. Maybe like this? But I'm really sure this is not the point where you lost the game.
P.S.: 5k is not as weak as you think, maybe we sometimes feel like this because humans tend to always look up in the sky and not to ground

Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:52 am
by Chew Terr
Jonas wrote:P.S.: 5k is not as weak as you think, maybe we sometimes feel like this because humans tend to always look up in the sky and not to ground

Indeed, don't be so hard on yourself. 5k is still my next 'Someday...' goal. =)
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:34 pm
by ketchup
Chew Terr wrote:Jonas wrote:P.S.: 5k is not as weak as you think, maybe we sometimes feel like this because humans tend to always look up in the sky and not to ground

Indeed, don't be so hard on yourself. 5k is still my next 'Someday...' goal. =)
No offense meant to anyone who takes pride in being the rank they are, but I think you should seriously consider a stronger goal. I mean if you are going to set a goal in the first place, might as well make it at least 6-7d no? Aim high!
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:12 pm
by Tyson2011
ketchup wrote:Chew Terr wrote:Jonas wrote:P.S.: 5k is not as weak as you think, maybe we sometimes feel like this because humans tend to always look up in the sky and not to ground

Indeed, don't be so hard on yourself. 5k is still my next 'Someday...' goal. =)
No offense meant to anyone who takes pride in being the rank they are, but I think you should seriously consider a stronger goal. I mean if you are going to set a goal in the first place, might as well make it at least 6-7d no? Aim high!
"nothing is wrong with being a pessimist. a pessimist is either always right, or pleasantly surprised."
jokes aside, my personally philosophy on goals is to have the top goal obviously, but set many smaller ones on the road to keep you going.
i'd post something relative to the game, but it is well above my skill level to comment on :/
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:28 pm
by Jonas
Of course every go players has the dream to become a 6 or 7 dan someday. I'd like to be german 6 dan, too
But I think it is very important to be proud of what you've achieved up to now. Ofc you shouldnt rest but use this energy to aim even higher.
Have you every considered how you looked up to those dan players when you were 15k ? Well I saw them like some kind of small gods, understanding so much more then me about the game I love. Well today I'm Shodan and now I know how wrong I was back then, when getting stronger you realise how much you dont know rather then knowing more and more, but I love the thought that I'm now one of those players I admired so much about 2 years ago. I hope this gives me the energy to grow even further.
Re: Argh, I guess I am weak... 5k playing above his rank.
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:43 am
by Chew Terr
Yeah, I like having a number of small goals, like one every 3 ranks. That essentially means that I will make it to the next plateau. The advantage of having small goals is that it gives you the satisfaction of achieving something, making it easier and more fun to keep working. If your goal was to become 6 dan, you could never feel accomplished until you got there. So while eventually I'd like to be 3 dan or so, I try to set smaller goals, then just make a bigger goal when I achieve them.