Life In 19x19

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:56 am**

This game started off very promising, which surprised me. I had been studying and working on my opening, and I knew immediately that w had made a mistake on move 8 which allowed me to capitalize on it. Unfortunately, I didn't use my time wisely and really think, which is ultimately what led to my demise. However, this game really has me hopeful that I'm improving. And I was able to spot a good majority of my mistakes.

I think I was too aggressive, and didn't really think my moves through. Any suggestions?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:04 am**

hailthorn011 wrote:I didn't use my time wisely and really think

By that do you mean the 9 minutes 25 seconds for your entire game of 86 moves, averaging under 6.7 secs/move?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:08 am**

EdLee wrote:
hailthorn011 wrote:I didn't use my time wisely and really think
By that do you mean the 9 minutes 25 seconds for your entire game of 86 moves, averaging under 6.7 secs/move?

Yes, unfortunately. It's a habit I need to break.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:16 am**

Would you like the reviewers to spend more or less than 6.7 secs/move and why?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:56 am**

EdLee wrote:Would you like the reviewers to spend more or less than 6.7 secs/move and why?

You win.

From now on, I'll try to use more time in my games and not quickly rush. My last few games have turned badly because of that.

But habits are hard to break. Especially once they've had awhile to develop.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:16 am**

While I generally agree with Ed on this issue, his post gave me an idea, and I finished this in about 9 minutes (though I did go back after to quickly fix a few mistakes). All of the comments are, to the best of my knowledge, correct, but there are probably somewhat less than if I had done a full review.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]PW[tvlasov]PB[hailthorn]WR[3k]BR[11k]DT[2011-04-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a>]C[tvlasov [3k]: hi glhailthorn [11k]: Hello, thank you for the gamehailthorn [11k]: gg];B[pd]BL[588.518];W[cp]WL[597.991];B[pp]BL[585.822];W[cc]WL[596.159];B[pj]BL[582.963];W[nc]WL[594.065];B[lc]BL[579.109];W[ne]WL[592.214]C[Not actually a mistake. It's joseki];B[pf]BL[576.724];W[kd]WL[590.918];B[ld]BL[572.385];W[le]WL[589.005];B[kc]BL[570.957];W[jd]WL[587.58];B[jc]BL[569.521];W[id]WL[586.111];B[hc]BL[567.386]C[Correct up to here];W[ic]WL[584.181]C[Bad for white, aji keshi];B[ib]BL[565.67];W[hd]WL[583.368];B[gc]BL[564.592];W[gd]WL[582.356]C[Can't tenuki yet. Play f17, let him push you along.];B[cj]BL[561.985];W[ch]WL[556.937];B[cf]BL[531.063]C[Too aggressive, make a base first. Also, white's immense thickness means you really won't get a good result];W[dg]WL[550.329];B[dd]BL[528.243]C[Not a bad thought];W[cd]WL[547.979];B[dc]BL[525.581];W[de]WL[546.647]C[Need to d18, or your shape will be quite bad after this];B[df]BL[521.29];W[ee]WL[540.672];B[ef]BL[510.027]C[Pointless. These stones are dead];W[fh]WL[536.228];B[ep]BL[478.025];W[eo]WL[513.077]
(;B[gp]BL[474.145]C[Not joseki. F5 is correct];W[fp]WL[510.132];B[fo]BL[470.987]C[Wrong atari. The other one keeps you connected. This one is ok, if you follow up, but the aji seems kind of annoying.];W[fq]WL[508.729]
(;B[gq]BL[468.767];W[fn]WL[505.86];B[go]BL[467.345];W[eq]WL[504.8];B[en]BL[465.128];W[do]WL[502.904];B[dn]BL[463.891]C[Bad move. You have to capture the cutting stone];W[fm]WL[498.163]
(;B[ek]BL[454.655];W[cn]WL[495.956]C[hane at the head of two stones];B[dm]BL[450.352];W[dl]WL[493.825];B[el]BL[446.55];W[em]WL[492.306];B[cm]BL[445.057];W[cl]WL[490.685];B[bm]BL[443.769];W[gl]WL[489.98];B[hm]BL[432.889]C[This smacks of following your opponent around. You need to capture the two stones on the left];W[bl]WL[484.731];B[bn]BL[429.343];W[co]WL[482.612];B[bo]BL[427.957];W[bp]WL[481.716];B[al]BL[417.603];W[ao]WL[478.758];B[am]BL[397.802];W[bk]WL[474.436];B[ak]BL[393.275];W[bj]WL[469.346];B[kp]BL[377.232];W[jp]WL[465.804];B[jo]BL[375.118];W[io]WL[461.019]
(;B[ip]BL[370.742]C[You are too quick to atari imo. Variation];W[jq]WL[459.323];B[in]BL[362.619]C[again. Should be k6.];W[ko]WL[456.821];B[ho]BL[358.072];W[lp]WL[454.367]C[See, bad result. White should not be living so easily];B[mq]BL[354.24];W[lq]WL[448.326];B[mp]BL[351.745];W[mo]WL[446.395]C[The proverb tells us to hane at the head of two stones. That means that getting haned at the head of two stones should be quite painful, and we should avoid it- I prefer treating n3 lightly and playing p3 here.];B[qm]BL[341.99]C[Wrong. The corrner is still invadable, this should be r5 or somewhere around g10 to try to make some chaos.];W[ik]WL[442.619]
(;B[jm]BL[340.368];W[no]WL[437.543]
(;B[np]BL[335.581]C[EMPTY TRIANGLES ARE BAD. Why is n4 on the board?];W[oo]WL[433.833]
(;B[po]BL[333.847];W[op]WL[431.934];B[oq]BL[332.131];W[mr]WL[430.167];B[nq]BL[326.59];W[pq]WL[428.795];B[qq]BL[322.75];W[pr]WL[427.386];B[qr]BL[321.478]C[See?];W[or]WL[422.793];B[gm]BL[308.203]C[Major aji keshi. Waste of a move.];W[fl]WL[419.913];B[ki]BL[295.381];W[hh]WL[400.605];B[kn]BL[270.284];W[lo]WL[398.069];B[nm]BL[265.22]C[This is kind of a wasted move. It hsould be at n15, which is white's weak point there. Black can score some points but probably not get back in the game that way. The area mapped out by the last two moves is not actually territory, it has gaping holes.];W[pn]WL[391.188];B[qn]BL[262.724];W[om]WL[388.715];B[pm]BL[260.156];W[on]WL[385.369];B[ol]BL[259.136];W[nl]WL[383.723];B[ml]BL[255.487]C[Just n7. Don't atari like this, it makes white stronger.];W[nk]WL[382.506];B[mm]BL[251.995];W[ok]WL[381.645]C[You cannot so easily give up this cutting stone.];B[pk]BL[250.824];W[mk]WL[380.542];B[ni]BL[247.292];W[ll]WL[378.577];B[lm]BL[245.726];W[mi]WL[377.086];B[nh]BL[244.019];W[mh]WL[375.135];B[lk]BL[242.948];W[lj]WL[373.364];B[kk]BL[241.948];W[kj]WL[372.508];B[jj]BL[240.89];W[jk]WL[371.413];B[kl]BL[238.942];W[mg]WL[364.902];B[bh]BL[222.721];W[bi]WL[356.282];B[bg]BL[220.658];W[fc]WL[351.504];B[fb]BL[200.419];W[ec]WL[334.573];B[db]BL[194.817];W[eb]WL[333.278];B[ga]BL[190.064];W[ea]WL[330.774];B[ed]BL[186.151];W[fd]WL[328.877];B[ce]BL[183.014];W[fe]WL[327.686];B[bd]BL[180.245];W[bc]WL[326.719];B[ae]BL[170.583];W[bf]WL[321.651];B[af]BL[165.169];W[ah]WL[319.88];B[ag]BL[158.697];W[hl]WL[281.927];B[ci]BL[147.682];W[eh]WL[271.54];B[dk]BL[118.833];W[aj]WL[269.253];B[ai]BL[113.429];W[an]WL[267.28];B[cg]BL[110.119];W[dh]WL[264.308];B[ff]BL[103.392];W[qc]WL[256.06];B[qd]BL[101.444];W[pc]WL[252.118];B[ac]BL[97.285];W[bb]WL[246.995];B[ab]BL[94.597];W[da]WL[245.003])
(;B[op]C[Must block now because of the empty triangle]))
(;B[oq]C[This or p4 is the correct shape.]))
(;B[kn]C[This atari is your sente!]))
(;B[jn]))
(;B[cn]))
(;B[do];W[en];B[dp]))
(;B[fo];W[do];B[gp];W[eq];B[fq]
;W[er]C[A common joseki]))

Please play your games more deliberately from now on!

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:35 am**

Shaddy wrote:While I generally agree with Ed on this issue, his post gave me an idea, and I finished this in about 9 minutes (though I did go back after to quickly fix a few mistakes). All of the comments are, to the best of my knowledge, correct, but there are probably somewhat less than if I had done a full review.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]PW[tvlasov]PB[hailthorn]WR[3k]BR[11k]DT[2011-04-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a>]C[tvlasov [3k]: hi glhailthorn [11k]: Hello, thank you for the gamehailthorn [11k]: gg];B[pd]BL[588.518];W[cp]WL[597.991];B[pp]BL[585.822];W[cc]WL[596.159];B[pj]BL[582.963];W[nc]WL[594.065];B[lc]BL[579.109];W[ne]WL[592.214]C[Not actually a mistake. It's joseki];B[pf]BL[576.724];W[kd]WL[590.918];B[ld]BL[572.385];W[le]WL[589.005];B[kc]BL[570.957];W[jd]WL[587.58];B[jc]BL[569.521];W[id]WL[586.111];B[hc]BL[567.386]C[Correct up to here];W[ic]WL[584.181]C[Bad for white, aji keshi];B[ib]BL[565.67];W[hd]WL[583.368];B[gc]BL[564.592];W[gd]WL[582.356]C[Can't tenuki yet. Play f17, let him push you along.];B[cj]BL[561.985];W[ch]WL[556.937];B[cf]BL[531.063]C[Too aggressive, make a base first. Also, white's immense thickness means you really won't get a good result];W[dg]WL[550.329];B[dd]BL[528.243]C[Not a bad thought];W[cd]WL[547.979];B[dc]BL[525.581];W[de]WL[546.647]C[Need to d18, or your shape will be quite bad after this];B[df]BL[521.29];W[ee]WL[540.672];B[ef]BL[510.027]C[Pointless. These stones are dead];W[fh]WL[536.228];B[ep]BL[478.025];W[eo]WL[513.077]
(;B[gp]BL[474.145]C[Not joseki. F5 is correct];W[fp]WL[510.132];B[fo]BL[470.987]C[Wrong atari. The other one keeps you connected. This one is ok, if you follow up, but the aji seems kind of annoying.];W[fq]WL[508.729]
(;B[gq]BL[468.767];W[fn]WL[505.86];B[go]BL[467.345];W[eq]WL[504.8];B[en]BL[465.128];W[do]WL[502.904];B[dn]BL[463.891]C[Bad move. You have to capture the cutting stone];W[fm]WL[498.163]
(;B[ek]BL[454.655];W[cn]WL[495.956]C[hane at the head of two stones];B[dm]BL[450.352];W[dl]WL[493.825];B[el]BL[446.55];W[em]WL[492.306];B[cm]BL[445.057];W[cl]WL[490.685];B[bm]BL[443.769];W[gl]WL[489.98];B[hm]BL[432.889]C[This smacks of following your opponent around. You need to capture the two stones on the left];W[bl]WL[484.731];B[bn]BL[429.343];W[co]WL[482.612];B[bo]BL[427.957];W[bp]WL[481.716];B[al]BL[417.603];W[ao]WL[478.758];B[am]BL[397.802];W[bk]WL[474.436];B[ak]BL[393.275];W[bj]WL[469.346];B[kp]BL[377.232];W[jp]WL[465.804];B[jo]BL[375.118];W[io]WL[461.019]
(;B[ip]BL[370.742]C[You are too quick to atari imo. Variation];W[jq]WL[459.323];B[in]BL[362.619]C[again. Should be k6.];W[ko]WL[456.821];B[ho]BL[358.072];W[lp]WL[454.367]C[See, bad result. White should not be living so easily];B[mq]BL[354.24];W[lq]WL[448.326];B[mp]BL[351.745];W[mo]WL[446.395]C[The proverb tells us to hane at the head of two stones. That means that getting haned at the head of two stones should be quite painful, and we should avoid it- I prefer treating n3 lightly and playing p3 here.];B[qm]BL[341.99]C[Wrong. The corrner is still invadable, this should be r5 or somewhere around g10 to try to make some chaos.];W[ik]WL[442.619]
(;B[jm]BL[340.368];W[no]WL[437.543]
(;B[np]BL[335.581]C[EMPTY TRIANGLES ARE BAD. Why is n4 on the board?];W[oo]WL[433.833]
(;B[po]BL[333.847];W[op]WL[431.934];B[oq]BL[332.131];W[mr]WL[430.167];B[nq]BL[326.59];W[pq]WL[428.795];B[qq]BL[322.75];W[pr]WL[427.386];B[qr]BL[321.478]C[See?];W[or]WL[422.793];B[gm]BL[308.203]C[Major aji keshi. Waste of a move.];W[fl]WL[419.913];B[ki]BL[295.381];W[hh]WL[400.605];B[kn]BL[270.284];W[lo]WL[398.069];B[nm]BL[265.22]C[This is kind of a wasted move. It hsould be at n15, which is white's weak point there. Black can score some points but probably not get back in the game that way. The area mapped out by the last two moves is not actually territory, it has gaping holes.];W[pn]WL[391.188];B[qn]BL[262.724];W[om]WL[388.715];B[pm]BL[260.156];W[on]WL[385.369];B[ol]BL[259.136];W[nl]WL[383.723];B[ml]BL[255.487]C[Just n7. Don't atari like this, it makes white stronger.];W[nk]WL[382.506];B[mm]BL[251.995];W[ok]WL[381.645]C[You cannot so easily give up this cutting stone.];B[pk]BL[250.824];W[mk]WL[380.542];B[ni]BL[247.292];W[ll]WL[378.577];B[lm]BL[245.726];W[mi]WL[377.086];B[nh]BL[244.019];W[mh]WL[375.135];B[lk]BL[242.948];W[lj]WL[373.364];B[kk]BL[241.948];W[kj]WL[372.508];B[jj]BL[240.89];W[jk]WL[371.413];B[kl]BL[238.942];W[mg]WL[364.902];B[bh]BL[222.721];W[bi]WL[356.282];B[bg]BL[220.658];W[fc]WL[351.504];B[fb]BL[200.419];W[ec]WL[334.573];B[db]BL[194.817];W[eb]WL[333.278];B[ga]BL[190.064];W[ea]WL[330.774];B[ed]BL[186.151];W[fd]WL[328.877];B[ce]BL[183.014];W[fe]WL[327.686];B[bd]BL[180.245];W[bc]WL[326.719];B[ae]BL[170.583];W[bf]WL[321.651];B[af]BL[165.169];W[ah]WL[319.88];B[ag]BL[158.697];W[hl]WL[281.927];B[ci]BL[147.682];W[eh]WL[271.54];B[dk]BL[118.833];W[aj]WL[269.253];B[ai]BL[113.429];W[an]WL[267.28];B[cg]BL[110.119];W[dh]WL[264.308];B[ff]BL[103.392];W[qc]WL[256.06];B[qd]BL[101.444];W[pc]WL[252.118];B[ac]BL[97.285];W[bb]WL[246.995];B[ab]BL[94.597];W[da]WL[245.003])
(;B[op]C[Must block now because of the empty triangle]))
(;B[oq]C[This or p4 is the correct shape.]))
(;B[kn]C[This atari is your sente!]))
(;B[jn]))
(;B[cn]))
(;B[do];W[en];B[dp]))
(;B[fo];W[do];B[gp];W[eq];B[fq]
;W[er]C[A common joseki]))

Please play your games more deliberately from now on!

Thank you for the input!

Life In 19x19

11k vs 3k (no handi)

11k vs 3k (no handi)

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