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2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 am
by Mnemonic
Enow is Middle English for enough and I think this is going to be the theme of this post. We've waited enough so I'm just going to start this thread.

Black:
percival (7k)
Loons (DDK) (though probably slightly stronger ;) )

White:
Mnemonic (7k)
mw42 (1k-ish)

Rules:
Closed comments (including your team members') and no joseki dictionary or databases (otherwise there'd be no fun :twisted: )
Good game everyone :D

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:29 am
by EdLee
Fun! :batman:

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:31 am
by perceval
cool thanks a lot i was reluctant to start without genral approval

now a BIG warning: my fist ever rengo game, i apologize in advance to my poor partner.

Who starts ? what order ? is there a tradition that weaker goes frist or second in this kind of game ?

I thought that it might be fun to allow th stronger playyer to view the thoughts of the weaker one so he can pull his hair in advance (or try to steer thigns away fro trouble), but no communication from strong to weak
what do you think ?

on and 6.5 komi right ?

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:27 am
by mw42
cool thanks a lot i was reluctant to start without genral approval

Yes, and I was just sitting on my hands and waiting for someone else to start this. :) Thanks, Mnemonic.

Who starts ? what order ? is there a tradition that weaker goes frist or second in this kind of game ?

Well, I think the order is as Mnemonic has listed the names, viz. it is your turn, perceval.

I thought that it might be fun to allow th stronger playyer to view the thoughts of the weaker one so he can pull his hair in advance (or try to steer thigns away fro trouble), but no communication from strong to weak
what do you think ?

In general there is no communication between team members. Part of the game is to try to understand in what direction your partner wants to play.

on and 6.5 komi right ?

Aye.

tldr; Your turn!

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:27 am
by perceval
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You are curious aren't you ?


good luck gg
Your turn Mnemonic

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:26 pm
by Loons
Have fun everyone.
I am pretty sure I have already played the worst rengo ever, so there is no way I can be disappointed by this one. Knock wood. While I'm not going to play forcing moves to affect who makes what move, I am going to try and stay conscious of what sort of moves perceval is going to have to make.

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:52 pm
by Mnemonic
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EdLee wrote:Fun! :batman:

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:05 pm
by Loons
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We don't want to just mark the last move's numbers?
Sigh.

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[go]$$Wcm1 I'm not even very sure where to play here, I hope there is a better move for four.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:36 pm
by EdLee
perceval,
perceval wrote:You are curious aren't you ?
:) Often the notes for the opening moves are... entertaining. :mrgreen:

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:11 am
by mw42
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Hmm, tengen as white. I don't really like it. I suppose taking the corner is biggest. I suppose playing 4-4 is best. It will be interesting to see the direction Mnemonic decides to take this game in on his next move.

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:31 am
by perceval
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[go]$$Bcm5 No prisoners so far
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EDIT: unhidden
I guess he will approach next, wonder how it will turn out.
i don't know if playing the hoshi would have been more normal

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:46 am
by Mnemonic
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[go]$$Bcm5 No prisoners so far
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Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:46 pm
by Loons
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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. :w6: is expected, so perceval must feel there is a clear move for black. I wonder what it was. I don't really want to pincer - why would we want to fight in white's triangle? F4 is my alternate choice, but I felt like this.

PS: I assume perceval wanted me to one space low pincer, but I think the direction is bad for us and white unbreakably has the ladder. I imagine everyone else is also having flashbacks of Kajiwara's the direction of play.

PPS: He might have wanted me to play the attach underneath but- then white's hoshi is happy and ours aren't.

PPPS: If white attaches inside, I would like a distant pincer. I wonder if perce knows that joseki :P.

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:56 pm
by mw42
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This seems natural. It attempts to cut the corner off and surround it and build some thickness. However, this could also lead to an early fight.

Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:51 pm
by Loons
Looking now doesn't really give me any information about my next turn at all! I am hoping perceval spots one joseki obviously works with K4.

PS: I have a great-uncle named Perceval. true story.