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A win against a 16k on Tygem
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:01 am
by blade90
I am a 16k on tygem
Today I played against a 16k with an amazing record: 20 wins and 8 losses
It is amazing if you compare it with mine: 5 wins and 19 losses^^
He was really strong and somehow I won by only 3.5 points.
Since it was a close game I'm sure that I made many mistakes and it woul be great if someone can point them out for me.
I am Black, how strong do you think White actually is?
(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]CA[shift_jis]
GN[Rank]
PW[ponge97 ]WR[16K]
PB[Schatten ]BR[16K]
DT[2011- 6-12-14-48-51]
PC[Tygem Baduk]
KM[6.5]
RE[black 3.5 win]
TM[Time limit 10minute : 30 second countdown 3 time]
AN[Even : Black 6.5 Dum]MU[1];B[pd];W[dp];B[pp];W[dd];B[fc];W[cg];B[jd];W[qg]
;B[mc];W[qj];B[rd];W[mq];B[qn];W[jq];B[fq];W[cm];B[cq];W[cp];B[dq];W[qq]
;B[pq];W[qp];B[qo];W[ro];B[rn];W[pr];B[or];W[rr];B[nq];W[mr];B[mp];W[lp]
;B[mo];W[lo];B[mn];W[qc];B[pc];W[qd];B[qe];W[rc];B[pf];W[re];B[db];W[cc]
;B[fe];W[cj];B[pg];W[qf];B[pe];W[jj];B[rf];W[sd];B[qh];W[rg];B[oh];W[rh]
;B[jh];W[jm];B[ep];W[eo];B[fo];W[en];B[hq];W[io];B[de];W[ce];B[ed];W[cb]
;B[dc];W[cd];B[df];W[eh];B[fg];W[fh];B[gg];W[gn];B[hi];W[gj];B[gi];W[fi]
;B[hj];W[hk];B[gk];W[fj];B[ik];W[hl];B[ij];W[lh];B[ki];W[mi];B[lj];W[nj]
;B[pj];W[pk];B[oj];W[ok];B[nk];W[mk];B[nl];W[mj];B[lk];W[ml];B[ll];W[mm]
;B[lm];W[om];B[qi];W[ri];B[qk];W[rj];B[ql];W[oi];B[kf];W[mf];B[ne];W[lf]
;B[il];W[im];B[bp];W[bo];B[bq];W[bn];B[dg];W[dh];B[cf];W[bf];B[ca];W[ba]
;B[da];W[ab];B[bg];W[af];B[ch];W[ci];B[ag];W[be];B[bc];W[ac];B[nh];W[mh]
;B[ph];W[pi];B[ld];W[pb];B[ob];W[qb];B[on];W[nn];B[oo];W[ai];B[no];W[nm]
;B[ln];W[kn];B[jl];W[ir];B[hr];W[ho];B[ps];W[rp];B[sq];W[sr];B[qs];W[rs]
;B[qr];W[so];B[pa];W[kg];B[jg];W[ke];B[jf];W[le];B[kd];W[je];B[ie];W[gp]
;B[fp];W[gq];B[gr];W[iq];B[fn];W[fm];B[fr];W[hp];B[km];W[hm];B[nf];W[kh]
;B[pm];W[sm];B[qa];W[ra];B[oa];W[ns];B[nr];W[mg];B[pl];W[ol];B[sn];W[sk]
;B[rm];W[sl];B[is];W[js];B[hs];W[bi];B[ao];W[an];B[ap];W[eg];B[ef];W[gh]
;B[hh];W[ng];B[me];W[og];B[of];W[ms];B[os];W[rk];B[lq];W[lr];B[ko];W[kq]
;B[jn];W[in];B[kp];W[jp];B[lq];W[lp];B[lo];W[jo];B[lq];W[kr];B[lp];W[kn]
;B[do];W[co];B[jn];W[bh];B[cg];W[kn];B[em];W[dn];B[jn];W[oc];B[nc];W[kn]
;B[fl];W[gm];B[jn];W[nb];B[od];W[kn];B[rq];W[sp];B[jn];W[na];B[oc];W[kn]
;B[ks];W[ls];B[jn];W[li];B[kn])
Re: A win against a 16k on Tygem
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:05 pm
by karaklis
Just a very few comments. I am only little stronger than you, so take these advices with a grain of salt.
Move 11 at s16 seems small. There are larger moves e.g. at k4.
Move 55: Atari at s12, then make shape with p11
Move 163: Kill with s1
The strength of your opponent seems to be similar to yours. He made some obvious mistakes, e.g. he should have taken d3 at move 18. c3 allowed black to make more territory in the corner.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:12 pm
by EdLee
A few ideas:
(;CA[shift_jis]FF[4]MU[1]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]SZ[19]GM[1]DT[2011- 6-12-14-48-51]PC[Tygem Baduk]
PB[Schatten ]BR[16K]PW[ponge97 ]WR[16K]KM[6.5]TM[Time limit 10minute : 30 second countdown 3 time]
RE[B+3.5]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[pd];W[dp];B[pp];W[dd];B[fc];W[cg];B[jd];W[qg]
(;B[mc]C[See var.]
(;W[qj]C[See var.]
(;B[rd]C[See var.];W[mq]
(;B[qn]C[See var.]
(;W[jq]LB[dl:a][gp:b][co:1][cn:2][cm:3][cl:4][ck:5][cj:6][ci:7][ch:8][eq:1][fq:2]
[gq:3][hq:4][iq:5]C[See var.]
(;B[fq]C[Go back one move and look at the board. See var.]
(;W[cm]C[See var.];B[cq];W[cp];B[dq]
(;W[qq]C[See var.];B[pq];W[qp];B[qo];W[ro];B[rn];W[pr];B[or]
(;W[rr]C[See var.]
(;B[nq]C[See var.];W[mr]
(;B[mp]C[See var.];W[lp];B[mo];W[lo];B[mn];W[qc]
(;B[pc]C[See var. End of notes.];W[qd];B[qe];W[rc];B[pf];W[re];B[db];W[cc];B[fe]
;W[cj];B[pg];W[qf];B[pe];W[jj];B[rf];W[sd];B[qh];W[rg];B[oh];W[rh];B[jh];W[jm];B[ep]
;W[eo];B[fo];W[en];B[hq];W[io];B[de];W[ce];B[ed];W[cb];B[dc];W[cd];B[df];W[eh];B[fg]
;W[fh];B[gg];W[gn];B[hi];W[gj];B[gi];W[fi];B[hj];W[hk];B[gk];W[fj];B[ik];W[hl];B[ij]
;W[lh];B[ki];W[mi];B[lj];W[nj];B[pj];W[pk];B[oj];W[ok];B[nk];W[mk];B[nl];W[mj];B[lk]
;W[ml];B[ll];W[mm];B[lm];W[om];B[qi];W[ri];B[qk];W[rj];B[ql];W[oi];B[kf];W[mf];B[ne]
;W[lf];B[il];W[im];B[bp];W[bo];B[bq];W[bn];B[dg];W[dh];B[cf];W[bf];B[ca];W[ba];B[da]
;W[ab];B[bg];W[af];B[ch];W[ci];B[ag];W[be];B[bc];W[ac];B[nh];W[mh];B[ph];W[pi];B[ld]
;W[pb];B[ob];W[qb];B[on];W[nn];B[oo];W[ai];B[no];W[nm];B[ln];W[kn];B[jl];W[ir];B[hr]
;W[ho];B[ps];W[rp];B[sq];W[sr];B[qs];W[rs];B[qr];W[so];B[pa];W[kg];B[jg];W[ke];B[jf]
;W[le];B[kd];W[je];B[ie];W[gp];B[fp];W[gq];B[gr];W[iq];B[fn];W[fm];B[fr];W[hp];B[km]
;W[hm];B[nf];W[kh];B[pm];W[sm];B[qa];W[ra];B[oa];W[ns];B[nr];W[mg];B[pl];W[ol];B[sn]
;W[sk];B[rm];W[sl];B[is];W[js];B[hs];W[bi];B[ao];W[an];B[ap];W[eg];B[ef];W[gh];B[hh]
;W[ng];B[me];W[og];B[of];W[ms];B[os];W[rk];B[lq];W[lr];B[ko];W[kq];B[jn];W[in];B[kp]
;W[jp];B[lq];W[lp];B[lo];W[jo];B[lq];W[kr];B[lp];W[kn];B[do];W[co];B[jn];W[bh];B[cg]
;W[kn];B[em];W[dn];B[jn];W[oc];B[nc];W[kn];B[fl];W[gm];B[jn];W[nb];B[od];W[kn];B[rq]
;W[sp];B[jn];W[na];B[oc];W[kn];B[ks];W[ls];B[jn];W[li];B[kn])
(;B[qd]))
(;B[ps]C[Now this atari is even better for B, because B is about to kill the entire W corner.]))
(;B[ps]C[Atari first. This is a free, good sente move for B, so you do it right now. If W starts the ko, you take it first right away.]))
(;W[qr]C[Just connect, in sente.];B[nq];W[sp]C[W lives in gote.]))
(;W[ep]C[Shared vital point for both B and W. Both sides cannot miss this move.]))
(;W[eq];B[fp];W[dn]LB[fp:a]C[Now your two (a) stones are heavy and cannot make a base, so they must run.]))
(;B[cn]C[Go back and look at the board at White 14.
Side (a) was much wider than side (b) -- and you picked (b), the smaller gap.]))
(;W[pr]C[Again, W can take away a big chunk of your corner.]))
(;B[oq]C[Still this kosumi.]))
(;B[qe]C[Still here.]))
(;W[rd]C[W can take away a big chunk of your corner.]))
(;B[qe]C[Big cash.]))
Re: A win against a 16k on Tygem
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:30 am
by koha
Hi,
Just a couple comments.
Firstly I think your opponent is about your level. You both made loads of mistakes

. I wonder if a little bit of fuseki study would help you? Don't go overboard though.
In my experience a high winning percentage says the player more about how hard the player is trying than how under rated they are. People playing normally make plenty of mistakes about their level so unless they're badly under rated those mistakes will cost them games. However people really trying to win will eliminate the careless mistakes which makes them almost unbeatable by a slightly weaker opponent.
Remember tygem promotes using winning percent - they probably really want a higher rank

Re: A win against a 16k on Tygem
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:10 am
by blade90
Thanks everyone, I will continue to study and post another game sometime
