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How to be overconfident
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:56 am
by Tryphon
Funny game played on OGS. I'm white. I was sure I had won
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[9]KM[6.50]
GN[OGS Kuksu 12nd Cycle (Nines Class), Round 1 Group 13]PW[tryphon]PB[apei]WR[8k]BR[18k]DT[2011-05-03,2011-06-12]CP[Creative Commons: Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported]GC[Game ID: 278817]EV[OGS Kuksu 12nd Cycle Nines Class]RO[1]PC[Online Go.com:
http://www.online-go.com]RE[?]
;B[ee]
;W[fc]
;B[dg]
;W[dc]
;B[fg]
;W[ge]
;B[ce]
;W[gg]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]
;W[bc]
;B[ec]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[be]
;B[bf]
;W[cd]
;B[ae]
;W[bd]
;B[gh]
;W[hg]
;B[gc]
;W[fd]
;B[fb]
;W[hc]
;B[hb]
;W[hd]
;B[ed]
;W[hh]
;B[fh]
;W[ff]
;B[hi]
;W[ih]
;B[ic]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]
;W[de]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]
;B[bg]
;W[gd]
;B[gb]
;W[id]
;B[ib]
;W[ad]
;B[af]
;W[ii]
;B[gi]
;W[ea]
;B[fa]
;W[da]
;B[df]
;W[ce])
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:32 am
by Tryphon
More than 20 views and no comment ? Maybe I should precise that I did not report B's last move in the sgf !
I think it's a good 10k exercise to find it

So, go kick W's ass

Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:47 am
by SoDesuNe
Uh, yeah I didn't get that ^^
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:00 am
by karaklis
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:07 am
by Tryphon
You're both right, and be kind with me : tell me you didn't realize it at first sight

Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:36 am
by SoDesuNe
I confess : D
(I guess, too much Tsumegos make you lazy because you expect someone to tell you, Black to "kill" ^^ When you stated you omitted the last move, I only started to look at the positions. But I looked at H4 at first =P)
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:16 am
by palapiku
I have seen this exact situation in a tsumego, so I instantly knew what to look at.
Tsumego might make you lazy but they're still quite useful

Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:50 am
by Simba
Don't feel bad for being a kyu player and not spotting it - I looked over a game between two 3ds on KGS from like two years ago and this exact position came up - they played about a dozen 1-point gote moves at the end before they noticed it was seki! Useful position to remember as it is not too rare.
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:30 am
by Tryphon
You make my heart warm again

At least, this position should stay in my memories for a long time

Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:14 pm
by Violence
I immediately moved to counting since it was the end of the sgf. I was like, wait, white's just ahead, what's going on? And then I moved my face a foot back from the screen. It was like one of those "Once you see it... you'll s*** bricks."
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:22 pm
by jts
Same position today in a 5d-4d game. Two 1-pt moves, two 1/2 pt moves, and then white saw it. W+5.5....
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 pm
by singular
A year ago I wouldn't have seen the move(s) even with the big clue there are moves to be made. I would have given up and thought I wasn't a 'real' Go player. But now I can see them easily when I'm told. This gives me a warm feeling. Now I need to see it without being told. I wonder how many years until then . . . . And it seems so simple too . . . .
Re: How to be overconfident
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:17 pm
by EeveeM
going H1 instead of F4 I think would've gotten it closer to a tie. 2 more points for 2.
if you don't like H1, do G1, it also takes away a point from black, but you lose sente doing it
not sure why but that seems better.