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ASR Game fuseki question
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:40 am
by mic
Hi,
I've played an ASR game where neither I nor my opponent had a good strategy against Blacks Q16/R10/Q4 fuseki (he told me so in the review). It would be nice if anyone could comment on this and give a few pointers.
Thanks,
Michael
PS: M17 was a missclick and should have been at M16
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mic]PB[nowynick]WR[6k]BR[3k]DT[2011-09-07]PC[The KGS Go Server at
http://www.gokgs.com/]C[nowynick [3k]: hello
mic [6k]: Hi, good game
mic [6k]: ASR league
nowynick [3k]: ASR league
nowynick [3k]: have a nice game
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1474.618]C[mic [6k]: Thanks, you too
]
;W[dp]WL[1495.617]
;B[pp]BL[1472.721]
;W[dd]WL[1493.064]
;B[fq]BL[1468.584]
;W[fp]WL[1478.078]
;B[gp]BL[1466.185]
;W[fo]WL[1475.332]
;B[eq]BL[1465.164]
;W[dq]WL[1473.241]
;B[hq]BL[1430.44]
;W[dm]WL[1454.307]
;B[qj]BL[1426.877]
;W[nc]WL[1439.619]
;B[kc]BL[1422.676]
;W[ne]WL[1400.604]
;B[pf]BL[1415.364]
;W[pb]WL[1388.652]
;B[qc]BL[1413.117]
;W[lc]WL[1357.914]
;B[ld]BL[1400.224]
;W[md]WL[1352.917]
;B[lb]BL[1399.291]
;W[mc]WL[1350.337]
;B[je]BL[1396.392]
;W[le]WL[1347.39]
;B[fc]BL[1391.48]
;W[cf]WL[1336.869]
;B[kd]BL[1388.269]
;W[mg]WL[1322.647]
;B[db]BL[1383.028]
;W[cc]WL[1319.367]
;B[hd]BL[1381.033]
;W[ph]WL[1316.88]
;B[qh]BL[1378.998]
;W[pg]WL[1314.338]
;B[qg]BL[1377.572]
;W[of]WL[1313.244]
;B[pe]BL[1375.546]
;W[nq]WL[1292.213]
;B[kq]BL[1371.42]
;W[qq]WL[1280.372]
;B[qp]BL[1367.51]
;W[pq]WL[1277.722]
;B[op]BL[1366.327]
;W[rp]WL[1273.984]
;B[ro]BL[1365.506]
;W[rq]WL[1272.981]
;B[qn]BL[1364.692]
;W[nr]WL[1240.975]
;B[pi]BL[1356.346]
;W[mo]WL[1223.186]
;B[cj]BL[1338.174]
;W[ch]WL[1216.915]
;B[bm]BL[1335.677]
;W[cn]WL[1192.268]
;B[bn]BL[1331.302]
;W[bo]WL[1189.684]
;B[bi]BL[1328.581]
;W[bh]WL[1170.971]
;B[co]BL[1325.471]
;W[bp]WL[1123.496]
;B[dl]BL[1322.546]
;W[em]WL[1116.547]
;B[bk]BL[1312.142]
;W[ql]WL[1042.429]
;B[ol]BL[1304.582]
;W[pm]WL[1039.266]
;B[on]BL[1297.881]
;W[om]WL[1034.12]
;B[nm]BL[1296.691]
;W[nl]WL[1021.341]
;B[pl]BL[1223.017]
;W[pk]WL[1008.39]
;B[ok]BL[1220.592]
;W[oj]WL[1005.543]
;B[nk]BL[1219.439]
;W[ml]WL[936.966]
;B[qm]BL[1214.402]C[mic [6k]: Hmmm, I think I'll resign. After my 6k counting I estimate B has a lead with more than 30 points. Thanks for the game!
nowynick [3k]: thx a lot
])
Re: ASR Game fuseki question
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:51 am
by Sverre
mic wrote:PS: M17 was a missclick and should have been at M16

Shoulder-hitting a weak stone is almost as bad as attaching to it. Did you consider counter-pincering instead? If you are uncomfortable counter-pincering here you should perhaps just invade 3-3 when he pincers you.
The sequence starting at q12 makes Black's territory more solid, just skip it and approach/invade his lower corner.
Re: ASR Game fuseki question
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:32 am
by mic
Sverre wrote:Shoulder-hitting a weak stone is almost as bad as attaching to it. Did you consider counter-pincering instead?
I did, but felt that a counter-pincer with my weak group against black's corner won't work.
If you are uncomfortable counter-pincering here you should perhaps just invade 3-3 when he pincers you.
Yes, although that's the standard response I felt that black's influence would be way too big.
- Michael
Re: ASR Game fuseki question
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:52 pm
by Dusk Eagle
I agree with everything Sverre said, and have added a few more comments as well. I hope they're useful to you.
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1126
Re: ASR Game fuseki question
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:57 pm
by mic
Dusk Eagle wrote:I agree with everything Sverre said, and have added a few more comments as well. I hope they're useful to you.
Yes, they were. Thanks for them!
- Michael