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Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:51 pm
by RobertJasiek
Which of the following is (not) correct grammar or style?
all but one stone - all but one stones
all but one of the stones
all stones but one
zero or one stone - zero or one stones
fewer than one stone - fewer than one stones
in atari - on atari
What exactly is the difference in meaning between headline and heading?
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:54 pm
by wms
all but one stones - Improper pluralization
zero or one stone - Improper pluralization again
fewer than one stones - And again
on atari - I've never heard this used and it sounds weird, but I can't give a rule as to why.
The others are all correct.
What exactly is the difference in meaning between headline and heading?
A headline is the text at the top of a story in a newspaper or magazine. A heading can be any text set apart from the main flow as a title or summary. So a headline is also a heading, but not all headings are headlines.
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:56 pm
by Solomon
RobertJasiek wrote:all but one stone
Fine.
RobertJasiek wrote:all but one stones
Wrong.
RobertJasiek wrote:all but one of the stones
Fine.
RobertJasiek wrote:all stones but one
Fine.
RobertJasiek wrote:zero or one stone
Not sure.
RobertJasiek wrote:zero or one stones
Wrong.
RobertJasiek wrote:fewer than one stone
Fine.
RobertJasiek wrote:fewer than one stones
Wrong.
RobertJasiek wrote:in atari
Fine.
RobertJasiek wrote:on atari
Wrong.
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:16 pm
by jts
Headline is also used metaphorically to refer to the highlights of a text. For example, the headline numbers in a budget, the headline findings in a scientific study, and so on. That should give you a sense of how the connotation differs.
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:29 pm
by prokofiev
Agree with Araban, except:
zero or one stones: preferred
zero or one stone: permitted, I believe
Zero is plural, one is singular, and in an or construction, plural trumps singular. The "zero or one stone" construction can be permitted, though, if you prefer to go by "proximity."
For headline and heading: Agree with jts. I would clarify by adding that heading, in the context you're using it in, can not be used metaphorically. If the literal meaning is primarily what you're going for, heading is preferred. (What wms says here is perhaps more salient. I missed his post at first, but I'll agree with all of it.)
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:19 am
by RobertJasiek
Thanks everybody!
According to google search, there are too many "on atari" instances at Sensei's Library. Maybe those were written by non-native speakers because other languages tend to use prepositions differently.
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:47 am
by HermanHiddema
RobertJasiek wrote:Thanks everybody!
According to google search, there are too many "on atari" instances at Sensei's Library. Maybe those were written by non-native speakers because other languages tend to use prepositions differently.
Google finds "on atari" five times at SL:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3As ... n+atari%22Three of them are about the Atari computer ("entering games on Atari ST"), one is "on atari-blindness", so there is only a single instance of "on atari" as an actual error, and that one is in a comment made by you...

Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:13 am
by RobertJasiek
Ok, I made the mistake of searching for the keywords "on atari" and "Sensei's" instead of using the site-restricted search. Elsewhere (in this combination) the mistake beats the correct version "in atari" by almost the factor 3, unless there should be more PC talk than atari talk.
Re: Trivial English Grammar Questions
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:22 am
by illluck
From a quick search for "on atari" and sensei's, it seems like most are either about the game console or Aikido :p