Fantasy go league: rules, registration and results!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:32 pm
by emeraldemon
Update: The League has begun! Results posted in this thread, it's not too late to join!
Fantasy League Rules:
Dates: I intend this to be a shorter test league, running for the rest of November, December, January, and February. If all goes well we can hopefully make the league ongoing. The first game to add points for the league will be the Kuksu final game 3, on Nov 8.
Professional Selection: Each player has $300 for buying pros. No more than $100 may be spent on pros from any one country. To figure out the costs of each pro, I figured out how many points they would have earned in the following events:
3rd BC Card Cup 15th LG Cup 15th Samsung Cup 24th Fujitsu Cup 12th Nongshim Cup 2nd Triple Meijin 35th Kisei 36th Meijin 66th Honinbo 54th Kuksu 38th Myeongin 16th GS Caltex Cup 23rd Mingren 25th Tianyuan
In general, these were the most recent completed tournament for each event.
The Player Costs:
Gu Li 49 Park Junghwan 48 Yamashita Keigo 45 Iyama Yuta 44 Lee Sedol 40 Choi Cheolhan 35 Park Yeonghun 34 Cho U 32 Heo Yeongho 30 Hane Naoki 29 Kim Jiseok 28 Jiang Weijie 28 Takao Shinji 26 Lee Changho 26 Piao Wenyao 25 Won Sungjin 23 Chen Yaoye 23 Kong Jie 21 Xie He 16 Cho Hanseung 14 Zhou Hexi 11 Zhong Wenjing 11 Qiu Jun 11 Kang Dongyun 11 Zhou Ruiyang 10 Yu Bin 9 Shi Yue 9 Meng Tailing 9 Li Zhe 9 Chang Hao 9 Wang Lei 8 Tan Xiao 8 Sakai Hideyuki 8 O Rissei 8 Mok Jinseok 8 Hu Yaoyu 8 Yuki Satoshi 7 Wang Yao 7 Li Haojie 7 Lee Younggu 7 Kim Kiyoung 7 Yamashiro Hiroshi 6 Tuo Jiaxi 6 Seto Taiki 6 An Hyungjun 6 Rin Kanketsu 5 Mizokami Tomochika 5 Kobayashi Satoru 5 Cho Chikun 5 An Kukhyun 5 Yoda Norimoto 4 Yeom Junghoon 4 Ryu Shikun 4 Ryu Jaehyeong 4 Peng Quan 4 Park Seunghwa 4 Liu Xing 4 Kim Seongjae 4 Kim Juho 4 Kato Atsushi 4 Kang Changbae 4 Hong Kipyo 4 Gu Lingyi 4 Ding Lie 4 Chun Guangya 4 Cho Sonjin 4 An Choyeong 4 Park Jeonggeun 3 O Meien 3 Kono Rin 3 Hong Sungji 3 Baek Hongsuk 3 Akiyama Jiro 3 Zhang Li 2 Yoo Jaesung 2 Wang Tao 2 Ryu Dongwan 2 Park Seunghyun 2 Park Jiyeon 2 Park Jinsol 2 On Sojin 2 Niu Yutian 2 Lian Xiao 2 Lee Chungyu 2 Ko Geuntae 2 Kim Seungjun 2 Kim Sedong 2 Kang Jisung 2 Joo Hyeongwuk 2 Huang Yizhong 2 Han Sanghoon 2 Fujii Shuya 2 Chen Shiyuan 2
Any player not on this list costs $1. You may buy as many pros as you can afford, but only $100 on players from a single country (if you don't know what country a pro is from, ask). Multiple players may buy the same pro. You do not have to spend all your money at once, but pros bought midway through an event will not recieve points for that event; you can't buy a player once they reach the finals and get points for that win. You may sell pros, but you only recieve 90% of refund price, rounded to the nearest dollar. (There may be periodic "free trades", to be determined).
Point System for tournaments:
Still under construction. Here's the system I used for the above scoring: Major International titles: Fujitsu, BC Card, LG, Samsung, Chunlan 1 point for reaching Ro32 and Ro16, 2 pts for Ro8 3 pts for Ro4 +2 for 3rd place where applicable 4 pts for 2nd 6 pts winning bo1, 3/win bo3, 2/win bo5
This is cumulative, so getting first place is 17 points, second is 11, etc.
The Kisei, Meijin, & Honinbo Leagues: 2 points for placing in the league 1 point for each win 2 points for placing first in a league 2 points for each game of a title match won
In general, I've decided that seeded players get the same points as non-seeded players who have reached the same point. In particular, players who hold a title get an automatic 11 points for bypassing the tournament. This may seem to be too much of an advantage in picking that player, but I'd rather not have disincentives to choose title holders.
Myeongin & GS Caltex Cup are straight single-elimination, and score the same as the international cups. Kuksu, Mingren, and Tianyuan have a single-elimination tournament to pick a challenger (like tengen). For those the title-holder gets the same 11 points as for the Japanese titles, and the points for the rest of the tournament are essentially the same: 11 to challenge, 9 for 2nd place, 7 for semis, 4 for Ro8, 2 for Ro16, 1 for Ro32.
For Nongshim Cup and Triple Meijin, I counted a flat 2 points per win.
Upcoming Events and Points:
All events that count for points will be collected here. I may add more events as we go along; if so I will post an announcement and update this list.
November: Kuksu title match: 2 points/game Nongshim Cup 2nd stage: 2 points Kisei challenger decision match: 2 points LG Cup Ro4: 3 points Myeongin Semifinals: 4 points (still need dates for this!) Mingren Finals: 2 points/game Oza Finals : 2 points/game Tengen Finals: 2 points/ game
December: Meijin League Round 1: 1 point Honinbo League Round 3: 1 point Samsung Cup Finals: 3 points/game Japan-China Agon Cup: 1 point?
January: BC Card Cup Ro32: 1 point Kisei Title match: 2 points/game Meijin League Round 2: 1 point Honinbo League Round 4: 1 point GS Caltex Cup Ro32: 1 point
February: BC Card Cup Ro16: 1 point per win Nongshim Cup 3rd stage: 2 points Kisei Title match: 2 points/game Tianyuan Ro32: 1 point
Important: Note that as we begin the league, ongoing tournaments will add points to your totals. If we wait until each new tournament begins, there will be too few games.
If you'd like to play, just post in this thread with your purchase choices. Any questions or comments, please ask
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:09 pm
by lovely
Here's my team.
China Gu Li - 49 Chen Yaoye - 23 Zhou Ruiyang - 10 Tan Xiao - 8 Tuo Jiaxi - 6 Gu LIngyi - 4
Japan Iyama Yuta - 44 Hane Naoki - 29 Takao Shinji - 26 Murakawa Daisuke - 1
Korea Park Junghwan - 48 Kim Jiseok - 28 Kang Dongyun - 11 Lee Younggu - 7 Baek Hongsuk - 3 Ko Geuntae - 2 Cho Insun - 1
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:42 pm
by hyperpape
What does halfway through an event mean for the Japanese leagues?
How are you awarding points for the Korean and Chinese events?
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:12 pm
by Barrauss
Korea: Na Hyun (1) Lee Sedol (40) Lee Changho (26) Cho Insun (1) Heo Yeongho (30)
China: Chen Yaoye (23) Jang Weijie (28) Kong Jie (21)
Japan: Iyama Yuta (44) Cho U (32) Takeo Shinji (26)
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:46 pm
by lindentree
Are you allowing a pro to be owned by more than one person? Because I see some overlap.
My teams:
China Piao Wenyao 25 Xie He 16 Qiu Jun 11 Chang Hao 9 Li Zhe 9 Hu Yaoyu 8 Peng Quan 4 Liu Xing 4
Japan Yamashita Keigo 45 Sakai Hideyuki 8 O Rissei 8 Yuki Satoshi 7 Yoda Norimoto 4
Korea Choi Cheolhan 35 Park Yeonghun 34 Mok Jinseok 8
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:00 pm
by emeraldemon
hyperpape wrote:What does halfway through an event mean for the Japanese leagues?
How are you awarding points for the Korean and Chinese events?
For the round-robin leagues, you can still get points midway because everyone plays the same number of games. So if you pick up a player with three games left in the round-robin, you can still get points for those three games.
Myeongin & GS Caltex Cup are straight single-elimination, and score the same as the international cups. Kuksu, Mingren, and Tianyuan have a single-elimination tournament to pick a challenger (like tengen). For those the title-holder gets the same 11 points as for the Japanese titles, and the points for the rest of the tournament are essentially the same: 11 to challenge, 9 for 2nd place, 7 for semis, 4 for Ro8, 2 for Ro16, 1 for Ro32.
For Nongshim Cup and Triple Meijin, I counted a flat 2 points per win. I'll add these to the first post.
I want to emphasize that ideally I'd like to include more events than just these, and we'll have to come up with new points formats as we add new tournaments. I think this thing will ramp up as we go, many of the events take place over the course of a year.
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:02 pm
by emeraldemon
lindentree wrote:Are you allowing a pro to be owned by more than one person? Because I see some overlap.
Yes, multiple people can purchase the same pro. I've edited the rules to clarify, thank you
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:26 am
by hyperpape
I did my Japan list, haven't thought hard enough about the rest.
Iyama Yuta - 44 Cho U - 32 Sakai Hideyuki - 8 Yuki Satoshi - 7 Yoda Norimoto - 4 Kono Rin - 3 Murakawa Daisuke - 1 Ko Iso - 1
Na Hyun - 1
I went for cheap and many, though I considered going all out and buying as many < $5 players as possible. If I ever did that, I hope you're automating this!
Edit: Silly mistake, had > instead of <.
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:56 am
by p2501
Are there any restrictions about when, how much and how often one can change his linsup? Lineup-changes are via pm I guess?
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:49 am
by Laman
never tried anything like this, but looks like fun, so here is my team:
Japan: Cho U 32 Hane Naoki 29 Takao Shinji 26 Yuki Satoshi 7 Kono Rin 3 Ko Iso 1 Murakawa Daisuke 1 Uchida Shuhei 1
Korea: Park Yeonghun 34 Kim Jiseok 28 Cho Hanseung 14 Kang Dongyun 11 Lee Younggu 7 An Kukhyun 5 Na Hyun 1
China: Piao Wenyao 25 Chen Yaoye 23 Kong Jie 21 Li Zhe 9 Tan Xiao 8 Wang Lei 8 Tuo Jiaxi 6
if i decide to drop out, it hurts nothing, right? my only job was to choose players and then watch how they are doing?
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:19 am
by emeraldemon
p2501 wrote:Are there any restrictions about when, how much and how often one can change his linsup? Lineup-changes are via pm I guess?
Yes, there will be restrictions, I haven't decided exactly how frequently one can trade players, I'm leaning towards a fixed number of trades per month (maybe 5)?
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:20 am
by emeraldemon
Laman wrote:if i decide to drop out, it hurts nothing, right? my only job was to choose players and then watch how they are doing?
Yes, there's no harm in dropping out. There shouldn't be any harm in joining late either, with the caveat that you may not get points for ongoing events.
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:22 am
by p2501
Also, from when to when is the league - this will factor in the selection of my team. Are the tournaments which you used to determine the worth of a player the ones affecting the league?
Thanks for the quick reply
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:47 am
by emeraldemon
p2501 wrote:Also, from when to when is the league - this will factor in the selection of my team. Are the tournaments which you used to determine the worth of a player the ones affecting the league?
Thanks for the quick reply
I updated the first post in a way that hopefully answers your first question.
All the tournaments I used to determine costs will be used in the league, at the prices posted. In addition, I reserve the right to add additional tournaments at what prices I see fit, as I find time to add them
In particular, some of the things I'm thinking about: Japan's Tengen, Oza, Judan, Gosei Korean Baduk League, Chinese A League Asian TV Cup
I'm definitely open to suggestions for additional events, so please post if there's something in particular you want to see!
Re: Fantasy go league: rules and registration!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:09 am
by Marcus
I might as well throw my hat into the ring on this, though I'm just going to spend $100 on each and watch what happens. My Japanese team is huge ... but not all that strong ...
EDIT: emeraldemon, you may want to make sure I assigned my pros to the correct countries ... I'm really bad at following the Go scene ...
China:
Chen Yaoye 23 Kong Jie 21 Xie He 16 Qiu Jun 11 Meng Tailing 9 Yu Bin 9 Wang Yao 7 Peng Quan 4