Life In 19x19

I was wondering what in particular bothers people when someone escapes from a game of theirs. In particular, I'm interested in the question of why is it insufficient to just pretend on your end that when someone escapes he has effectively resigned.

Ideally this thread will consist purely of people calmly listing their problems with being escaped on rather than a flamefest about what any given server should do about those problems (it looks like we already have a thread for that ).

I just find it rude. I don't care about rating (anyway, I'm weak), I feel the same if I am escaped by a stronger opponent who'd say "not interesting to play with you", or when my opponent don't even write "hello", or just "hi", "hf", "gg" showing that I'm not even human enough for him to write complete words.

So I responded. Folks escaping on me do bother me, although, in my human imperfection I do aspire to Bantari's view that I should not let it bother me.

First off, let me say it is not that he did not acknowledge he lost. In fact, I often laugh to myself on that issue, because he SOOOOO acknowledged that he lost.

For me it is the rudeness, rudeness usually born of learning online and not recognizing that we are and should be a community - a small community that cannot afford to lose folks who find things to be simply not fun because of this and other behaviors. I am confident that there is an absolute inverse ration between actual club and face to face play vs escaping. In other words, the more you actually play face to face, the less chance you would ever escape. This number one choice for me is a bit imperfect, it bothers me whether the game is free or not, but obviously it bothers me more if it is rated.

So I also clicked missing out on the rating points. This is minor, but if I have lost three and a row, and then crush an escaper, I must admit it bothers me.

I also clicked folks might think I am an escaper, but this is a minor, but present issue. Recently I had an issue. I was playing a game, and it became clear that my daughter was suffering from a concussion, and my wife needed me to help her to the hospital. Fortunately I was playing someone I have played often, but we do not know each other. I assume he believed me when he responded "Okay" to my explanation of taking my daughter to the hospital and that I was leaving. But, with the escapers out there, maybe he didn't. Anyway, that game was finished later, and, Melanie is fine.

But again, try not to get too upset - getting upset just gives them another triumph.

What bothers me is the rudeness, plus the time I committed to the game that is treated as worthless by my opponent.

The same way it'd bother me if I was talking with someone and they decide to turn my back and leave while I'm still talking to them.

I'm also curious of what people think about the following, in terms of proper ettiquette:

Say you are playing a random person you've never played before, and an emergency comes up. Should you tell the person and request to resume later, or should you resign?

The former option might make the person think you are an escaper and be turned off, especially if they are a bit ahead. The latter can screw up the rating system. What do you think?

It really doesn't bother me. I suppose I've stopped caring about my ratings, rank, or my win/loss record any more. The one thing I'd miss is I like the politeness of welcoming the opponent, and thanking them at the end, so I'd miss that. But no more from an escapee than a resignation. I'd rather he said thanks for the game and escaped than resigned and left without saying anything.

I would like the ability to simply remove the game from the gamelist though - leaving it hanging grates on my OCD for tying up loose ends

Response to Kirby: Wouldn't mind. I suspect that's rare enough that it wouldn't mess up the rating system, and if they had to go they can if they like, whether the game resumes or not doesn't bother me (apart from getting it off an "incomplete games" list - see above )

I voted rude, and only that. I don't think I'd mind if someone told me they were tired of the game and went away. It's the non-communication that I hate. I haven't had many escapers, though. I only have a few unfinished games (maybe just 1), and those were people that said they had to leave, had no more time to play, or something like it. Maybe it was an excuse, but I don't care, I prefer it that way.

If it's a real emergency kirby you might not have time to do anything. But if they have to go I'd rather people went and came back later to finish the game (even if we never bump into each other again it's worth a try).

I think the poll has possible mis-statements included. Since the escaper will eventually lose the game by forfeit, surely the game will count will count for rating points? The rudeness bothers me; in a club environment I doubt that someone who got fed up with a game and walked out would ever be welcomed back.

Best wishes.

Kirby wrote:I'm also curious of what people think about the following, in terms of proper ettiquette:

Say you are playing a random person you've never played before, and an emergency comes up. Should you tell the person and request to resume later, or should you resign?

This has happened to me once. I suggested that we continue later, (s)he declined, I resigned.

The only thing I really care about is how easily I can find my next game. As the italics pile up (not often, but I do sometimes get a few escapers in a row), it makes it harder to challenge people.

As stated in the other thread, though, I have begun to use Automatch, which eliminates this difficulty nicely for me.

Even though I shouldn't be attached so much to my rank it provides a measurement of my progress and I want to have the win (and finally the change in my rank) recorded.

What bothers me much more are opponents that have lost according to their position, wait until counting and then resign... That's rude in my eyes.

Mich

i voted others.
i really dont care.
i dont want my rating to go up too high were i have to concentrate to win.
i guess that is why i am only 3D in kgs.

I'll be perfectly honest, it's definitely the rating thing that bothers me. I see an escape as an admission of a loss, so that part doesn't matter so much. However it can be frustrating to not get credit for a win.