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2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:52 am
by unkx80
Here is an easy problem to mark my 100th post on this forum. :P

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[go]$$Wc Status?
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$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:08 pm
by SoDesuNe
My try :o

If White goes first, it's dead.

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 2 |
$$ . . . X 5 . 4 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 3 |
$$ . . . X 5 . 4 1 2 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 3 |
$$ . . . X 4 . 5 1 2 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X 2 X 3 |
$$ . . . X . . . 1 . . |
$$ --------------------[/go]



If Black goes first, it's alive.

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[go]$$Bc Alive as it is.
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$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X . |
$$ . . . X . . . 1 . . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Alive as it is.
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 1 |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:47 pm
by tapir
I like how you design the outside of the group... I subconsciously started looking for black moves to play there :) Otherwise I have of course nothing to add to the solution posted already.

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:54 pm
by topazg
@SoDesuNe

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 2 |
$$ . . . X 4 . 5 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


This is an important variation too ... White 5 leaves seki, so instead?

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:56 pm
by Magicwand
topazg wrote:@SoDesuNe

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 2 |
$$ . . . X 4 . 5 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


This is an important variation too ... White 5 leaves seki, so instead?

no seki
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O 6 |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X 5 X 2 |
$$ . . . X 4 . 7 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:19 am
by SoDesuNe
topazg wrote:@SoDesuNe

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 2 |
$$ . . . X 4 . 5 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]


This is an important variation too ... White 5 leaves seki, so instead?


Okay, I spoiled it by looking at magicwand's answer =D But nonethesless a seki would be good for Black, as it actually is a dead group, when White moves first.

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:43 am
by Biondy
emm.... I think black dies here...
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[go]$$Wc Status?
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$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 3 |
$$ . . . X 5 . 4 1 2 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc Status?
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ , . . . O X O X O . |
$$ . . . O . . O X X O |
$$ . O . O X X X . X 2 |
$$ . . . X 5 . 4 1 3 . |
$$ --------------------[/go]

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:34 am
by unkx80
I guess most people who attempted this problem would have figured out the solution by now. Thanks for the attempts!

Re: 2010 May 17 problem

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:38 am
by Phelan
My guess:
Black lives unconditionally with seki, or can live with two eyes.


Addendum after looking at the solutions:
Completely missed the lack of liberties after white's cut. Basically what magicwand showed.