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KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:17 pm
by Pippen
Did somebody change the ranking/rating system, because I recognised an unusual jump in my graph.
Another question: Is a KGS 1d about a "real" 1d or far off from that?
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:25 pm
by oren
What is your definition of "real"?
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:26 pm
by daal
Pippen wrote:Another question: Is a KGS 1d about a "real" 1d or far off from that?
Is that a real question or far off from that?
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:36 pm
by xed_over
Pippen wrote:Did somebody change the ranking/rating system, because I recognised an unusual jump in my graph.
most likely this:
http://www.gokgs.com/help/anchor.html
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:39 pm
by Dante31
It's a real kgs 1d.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:40 pm
by speedchase
I was watching and game and a couple of people were talking about the ranks all jumped. I didn't notice it myself, but it is not impossible.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:45 pm
by Dante31
speedchase wrote:I was watching and game and a couple of people were talking about the ranks all jumped. I didn't notice it myself, but it is not impossible.
It is very common for ranks to jump on kgs. That is just the nature of their system. When they change their 'anchor' the ranks change.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:54 pm
by Pippen
Hm...I don't know but would u feel saying if asked "I'm a danplayer" if you are 1d on KGS? I know it's not easy, but in the end I could invent a rank system that starts with 5d, but if somebody asked me what my rank is I would feel I cheat if I say: 5d. Does my point come across

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Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:59 pm
by oren
Yes, if you are 1d on KGS, I'd say it's fair to say you are a dan player.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:14 pm
by topazg
Pippen wrote:Hm...I don't know but would u feel saying if asked "I'm a danplayer" if you are 1d on KGS? I know it's not easy, but in the end I could invent a rank system that starts with 5d, but if somebody asked me what my rank is I would feel I cheat if I say: 5d. Does my point come across

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There's a big difference between inventing your own system, and having a rank on a server with a huge number of active players

Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:26 pm
by hyperpape
I drifted from 2k to 1k, so I have to say, the ranks seem at least as real to me now as they did three months ago.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:45 pm
by Pippen
topazg wrote:Pippen wrote:Hm...I don't know but would u feel saying if asked "I'm a danplayer" if you are 1d on KGS? I know it's not easy, but in the end I could invent a rank system that starts with 5d, but if somebody asked me what my rank is I would feel I cheat if I say: 5d. Does my point come across

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There's a big difference between inventing your own system, and having a rank on a server with a huge number of active players

Yeah, it was just an example to show you my point: e.g. wouldn't it be a bit embarassing if you state that you are a 1d and then some 3k EGF beats you easily? It's a real problem that there are so many rank & rating systems. I just checked it at senseis.xmp.net.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:08 pm
by hyperpape
Pippen wrote:Yeah, it was just an example to show you my point: e.g. wouldn't it be a bit embarassing if you state that you are a 1d and then some 3k EGF beats you easily? It's a real problem that there are so many rank & rating systems. I just checked it at senseis.xmp.net.
Even within one rating system, there can be big differences--between US East and West coasts for instance. There's only one way to fix the problem. Play all games without handicaps and have the losing player cry after being crushed, just like in Hikaru.
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:59 am
by SoDesuNe
Pippen wrote:Yeah, it was just an example to show you my point: e.g. wouldn't it be a bit embarassing if you state that you are a 1d and then some 3k EGF beats you easily? It's a real problem that there are so many rank & rating systems. I just checked it at senseis.xmp.net.
I always tell my KGS rating because it's the most solid one. I play tournaments maybe two or three times a year but on KGS I play every week. Nonetheless, I always say I'm this rank
on KGS. Besides, in Europe almost every Go-player has a KGS account so they can relate ^^
Re: KGS rank shift?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:58 am
by karaklis
SoDesuNe wrote:Besides, in Europe almost every Go-player has a KGS account so they can relate ^^
Not sure about that. According to my experience only about two of three of my tournament opponents has an account on KGS, and half of them very rarely play on KGS (i.e. they play more tournament games than games on KGS, just like me).