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ive gotten tired of bigdoug doing crap like this to me and other users and banning me 48 hours every single week

there was a go related conversation going on and then a couple off topic comments were said so doug decides to throw out the entire convo. i should note that i was not in the convo at all and had not said anything in EGR all day.

then mocks me pretending he was insulted to find another excuse to ban me. the admin email is useless and the admins there are only insulting me so i have to try other places

is it really any question why im trying to get other users to boycott KGS in favor of kaya?

BigDoug is awesome!

oren wrote:BigDoug is awesome!

you could have just said nothing at all instead of being an ass

xDragon wrote:you could have just said nothing at all instead of being an ass

Is it just me, or is that statement often a product of the type of behaviour it reprimands? :p

it could be just me but people who try to derail topics are awfully annoying.

Ok, I won't derail the topic. BigDoug is not the problem. Clearly from your first post, you have had encounters with him before. You know how he does his job as a KGS admin. And you nonetheless see fit to provoke him. The thing is, you know what will happen, and you do it nonetheless. Whose fault is that? Seems to me, you don't know when to shut up. Did someone tell you that it's your responsibility to say whatever comes to your mind, particularly when it's derogatory? That's my impression.

daal wrote:Ok, I won't derail the topic. BigDoug is not the problem. Clearly from your first post, you have had encounters with him before. You know how he does his job as a KGS admin. And you nonetheless see fit to provoke him. The thing is, you know what will happen, and you do it nonetheless. Whose fault is that? Seems to me, you don't know when to shut up. Did someone tell you that it's your responsibility to say whatever comes to your mind, particularly when it's derogatory? That's my impression.

please show me where i provoked him

not to mention, you blaming me for how he acts? thats kinda funny

I feel like the meanness of the moderation and the obnoxiousness of people complaining about it are equally annoying. I would like to abolish them both.

There is a big difference between a regular member offending an admin who asked not to be offended and an admin being sarcastic to a member who asked not to be sarcastic with.

Normally when an admin is already annoyed by someone else, it's not wise to continue annoying the admin even if you were not the one warned.

Of course you always have the choice of leaving KGS, playing on other servers, and never coming back if it really annoys you too much.

tchan001 wrote:There is a big difference between a regular member offending an admin who asked not to be offended and an admin being sarcastic to a member who asked not to be sarcastic with.

Normally when an admin is already annoyed by someone else, it's not wise to continue annoying the admin even if you were not the one warned.

Of course you always have the choice of leaving KGS, playing on other servers, and never coming back if it really annoys you too much.

I have to defend xDragon a bit, because it looks like BigDoug is annoyed permanently. For a while I had BigDoug in my buddy list with a note "beware, BD is online" as for not to chat in EGR.
On the other hand is kinda impolite to make private chat public and create forum topic with title "can we get rid of the insane admins please?" is just rude.

xDragon wrote:

daal wrote:Ok, I won't derail the topic. BigDoug is not the problem. Clearly from your first post, you have had encounters with him before. You know how he does his job as a KGS admin. And you nonetheless see fit to provoke him. The thing is, you know what will happen, and you do it nonetheless. Whose fault is that? Seems to me, you don't know when to shut up. Did someone tell you that it's your responsibility to say whatever comes to your mind, particularly when it's derogatory? That's my impression.

please show me where i provoked him

not to mention, you blaming me for how he acts? thats kinda funny

Reminds me of a joke:

A farmer gets pulled over by a state trooper for speeding, and the trooper starts to lecture the farmer about his speed and, in general, starts to throw his weight around to try to make the farmer uncomfortable.

Finally, the trooper gets around to writing out the ticket, and while he does he keeps swatting at some flies buzzing around his head.

The farmer says, "Having some problems with circle flies there, are ya?"

The trooper stops writing the ticket and says "Well yeah, if that's what they are - I never heard of circle flies."

So the farmer says, "Well, circle flies are common on farms. See, they're called circle flies because they're almost always found circling around the back end of a horse."

The trooper says, "Oh," and goes back to writing the ticket. Then after a minute he stops and says, "Hey, wait a minute, are you trying to call me a horse's ass?"

The farmer says, "Oh no, Officer. I have too much respect for law enforcement and police officers to even think about calling you a horse's ass."

The trooper says, "Well, that's a good thing," and goes back to writing the ticket.

After a long pause, the farmer says, "Hard to fool them flies though."

tchan001 wrote:Normally when an admin is already annoyed by someone else, it's not wise to continue annoying the admin even if you were not the one warned.

It is the responsibility of an admin to not get annoyed.

Not literally--everyone gets annoyed sometimes. But the purpose of an admin is to enforce the rules of KGS, not to act on their personal feelings.

But I don't know that this is the best example: that egg timer comment was sarcastic and unproductive. If you can't see why comments like that are going to get bad results, your life will probably be a lot more difficult than it needs to be.

I think it's hard to tell whose side may be right without knowing the previous record of xDragon, because it looks like he has one. Having a "record of offenses" is usually a bad idea. BigDoug acted too quick on xDragon's second comment, banning him for 24 hours instead of the "4 hour standard" everyone else was getting, and we don't even know if these two were his first 2 phrases in all the kibitz or he had been already warned/being OT a lot. Calling an admin insane is a bad idea (like calling an officer a horse ass, very good daal ,) but I find his way of managing it "you call me insane" -> "I feel hurt" -> "you're banned" childish.

xDragon, the best way to deal with admins is just not talking in the ESR. I learnt my lesson a few years ago when I was threatened by being booted for 48 hours for asking what had happened previously. Yes, seriously. I had not been part of the offending chat and just arrived at the end seeing a lot of people angry and several people banned. I asked what had happened, some admin told me "nothing" and my answer (along the lines of) "I don't think covering up makes it nothing, something happened and I am curious about it" ended in this threat, just for asking and in no offensive way whasoever. At that moment I realised that the EGR is no place for any kind of chat if you really enjoy playing in KGS, just go to a smaller room where you can talk about whatever you want (of course if the room admins allow you).

Well I honestly think you are at fault, but it is also true that BigDoug overreacted a bit.
Then we have the question again: "What happend before?". Maybe you are constanly provoking him? Alone your comment with the egg timer is considered an insult.

xDragon wrote:

oren wrote:BigDoug is awesome!

you could have just said nothing at all instead of being an ass

This is very rude! If you always talk like that it's no secret why you got banned.
Oren's comment is a bit off-topic but not a direct insult to you, it also can be understood as sarcasm against BigDoug. If it offends you, then ignore him, report him or ask him how he meant it.

Starting a hate thread against a single person is bad, you will not find many that will support you with this.
And a little hint: Your topic title insults more then one admin on KGS, all admins could get offended. Also someone once said: "Who are you to judge a person insane?"

Now I'm not trying to be mean or anything and I can understand why you are mad, but I can't support a "Witch hunt".

Bigdoug has a habit of reacting pretty strongly to things, but you did bait him, so it's hard to feel sympathetic. He's got a job to do, it's not much fun at the best of times, and being confrontational with him isn't going to help. Goading him on the 24 hour thing was just really stupid if you didn't want to get banned.