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which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:57 am
by MLC
For better or worse I'm going to be playing most machine games on an iPad.
Can you tell me which iPad Go app will give me the strongest most human-like game ?
If I had to choose between strength and style I think the latter would be a more important feature for me right now.
many thanks,
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:07 am
by RBerenguel
Tygem baduk and wbaduk

now seriously, Crazy Stone, but I suggest you better play real people..
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:22 am
by MLC
RBerenguel wrote:but I suggest you better play real people..
yes , but when I get a little better !

Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:24 am
by oren
I would say Dragon Go Server and Tetsuki to add to the previous response.

Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:09 am
by RBerenguel
MLC wrote:RBerenguel wrote:but I suggest you better play real people..
yes , but when I get a little better !

No need to. In KGS there are plenty of people just starting and knowing close to nothing more than the rules. Just play! I know losing is horrible, and not knowing what you do is worse... But you have to get over it because
losing and
not knowing what you do will be with you for all of your go career (or at least until ~5k where I am, others better ranked can say if they agree)
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:20 am
by karaklis
Besides, you have the opportunity to review the game with your opponent, if you play humans.
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:40 am
by Boidhre
oren wrote:I would say Dragon Go Server and Tetsuki to add to the previous response.

I've always gotten the impression on here that IGS (i.e. Tetsuki) should be the last place I go as a raw beginner given the altogether Beginner Class and abundance of sandbaggers.
But I'd definitely second Dragon Go Server. Sign on as a 30k and you'll get plenty of games with other people your level.
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:56 am
by RBerenguel
Boidhre wrote:oren wrote:I would say Dragon Go Server and Tetsuki to add to the previous response.

I've always gotten the impression on here that IGS (i.e. Tetsuki) should be the last place I go as a raw beginner given the altogether Beginner Class and abundance of sandbaggers.
But I'd definitely second Dragon Go Server. Sign on as a 30k and you'll get plenty of games with other people your level.
I don't think a beginner would enjoy DGS. After all, between 30k and 15k you can bump 2 stones in a matter of days, a game you start today against a 30k as a 30k can end up as a struggle between 15k in 1 month, both trying to recover horrible blunders they made at the beginning
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:58 am
by oren
RBerenguel wrote:I don't think a beginner would enjoy DGS. After all, between 30k and 15k you can bump 2 stones in a matter of days, a game you start today against a 30k as a 30k can end up as a struggle between 15k in 1 month, both trying to recover horrible blunders they made at the beginning
It depends on activity, Boidhre and I finished a game in a few days. I have trouble finding a full hour or so to play a real game in a day but I can find enough breaks to get the moves done. Then we reviewed on KGS.
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:00 am
by RBerenguel
oren wrote:RBerenguel wrote:I don't think a beginner would enjoy DGS. After all, between 30k and 15k you can bump 2 stones in a matter of days, a game you start today against a 30k as a 30k can end up as a struggle between 15k in 1 month, both trying to recover horrible blunders they made at the beginning
It depends on activity, Boidhre and I finished a game in a few days. I have trouble finding a full hour or so to play a real game in a day but I can find enough breaks to get the moves done. Then we reviewed on KGS.
Yup, but you need to find quick players there, I usually can give 15-20 moves in a streak but then stop for a few hours. There are players who move once a day, or twice a day...
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:16 am
by Boidhre
RBerenguel wrote:oren wrote:RBerenguel wrote:I don't think a beginner would enjoy DGS. After all, between 30k and 15k you can bump 2 stones in a matter of days, a game you start today against a 30k as a 30k can end up as a struggle between 15k in 1 month, both trying to recover horrible blunders they made at the beginning
It depends on activity, Boidhre and I finished a game in a few days. I have trouble finding a full hour or so to play a real game in a day but I can find enough breaks to get the moves done. Then we reviewed on KGS.
Yup, but you need to find quick players there, I usually can give 15-20 moves in a streak but then stop for a few hours. There are players who move once a day, or twice a day...
You find fast players though. I'm playing one guy under two days and we're already on move 116 (we happen to have free time around the same time it seems). Sure there a few other games I started at the same time that aren't even 10 moves in yet but most are in the 30s but, one other is near 100 moves in and two are around the 70 mark. That's fast enough for it to be interesting.
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:19 am
by MLC
I just played CrazyStone and a game on Tetsuki. Is there an iPad client for DGS ? couldn't find one and don't want to see what a phone app would look like on a tablet.
Eventually I'll just play on KGS using an old linux laptop - unless I win a lottery then I'd buy an Android tablet just for KGS

Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:21 am
by oren
I don't think there's a specific app for DGS on the ipad, but at least on android tablets, I've used the web interface and have had no problems. It only really makes a difference on phone sized screens in my opinion.
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:40 am
by MLC
oren wrote:I don't think there's a specific app for DGS on the ipad, but at least on android tablets, I've used the web interface and have had no problems. It only really makes a difference on phone sized screens in my opinion.
I was considering getting the AlwaysOnPc app for this reason but I'm not sure what it really looks like on an iPad. I don't want to use the native browser at all - too paranoid for that!
Re: which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:43 am
by oren
MLC wrote:I was considering getting the AlwaysOnPc app for this reason but I'm not sure what it really looks like on an iPad. I don't want to use the native browser at all - too paranoid for that!
That is quite a high level of paranoia.
