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A squeaker
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:04 pm
by EiggHead
Crossposted from Study Journal forum ..
Here's a very fun game I had played last night against another rusty returnee. His provisional rank was 16k?. But I saw him decimate a 14k with a 2 stone handi and so I offered to play him even. He agreed and it was a blast, ending up with a 0.5 win.
http://files.gokgs.com/games/2012/4/24/EiggHead-JP2gen.sgf
Here are my own comments -
I didn't really have a plan for my invasion on the right. I stumbled into a living group based on his mistakes. While I was pleased to just make it out alive, I know there is something better to do here.
My invasion left, and the resulting ko have me trouble. I botched the ko by trading the corner and lost a ton of points. I get nervous in ko fights, trying to assess ko threats. The result is timid play damaging play.
In the endgame, I felt I was almost ever in gote and losing points. I am sure I missed tesuji's along the way that perhaps could have given me a little more edge in the count.
Thanks in advance
Re: A squeaker
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:09 pm
by emeraldemon
Just a few quick thoughts:
10: Was this intentional? Experiments are good, but f17 is much safer.
26: A weird move, this doesn't seem to pressure the black stones at all.
28: I'd block the other side N3, cutting off the k3 stone.
34 & 36: These feel quite bad to me. You're settling, but black has made a very big right side without much fight.
52: I think this is too deep. You got lucky living. I'd probably play the split around O14, try to pressure the j17 group into giving you thickness.
73: If black connects at S11, I'm pretty sure all the white stones die...
132: Don't fight the ko, just capture with B11.
186: Pretty sure L19 is bigger than this.
Re: A squeaker
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:52 am
by EiggHead
Thanks emerald ...
Would something like 32 at Q7 be a better move to contest the right, even at the expense of settling the N4 group?
I especially like 132 at B11, thanks again!
Re: A squeaker
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:56 am
by Bill Spight
Looking for the game losing play.
Go to move 251.
(;AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]GM[1]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]ST[2]FF[4]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]PC[The KGS Go Server at http\://www.gokgs.com/]PW[EiggHead]RU[Japanese]FG[259:]WR[12k]C[EiggHead \[12k\]\: Have fun
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: you too \:)
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: but just wondering why such picture?
]PB[JP2gen]TM[1800.0]DT[2012-04-24]RE[W+0.50]KM[6.5]PM[0]GN[ ]BR[16k]
;B[pd]BL[1776.897]C[EiggHead \[12k\]\: Heh .. I google egg head .. close enough to Eigg Head
]
;WL[1780.472]W[dp]C[JP2gen \[16k?\]\: oh
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: kind of weird pic
]
;B[pp]BL[1763.656]C[EiggHead \[12k\]\: Sure is .. heh
]
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;B[ja]BL[818.763]
;WL[597.989]W[ha]C[JP2gen \[16k?\]\: sorry
EiggHead \[12k\]\: WB
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: wb?
]
;B[sc]BL[687.058]C[EiggHead \[12k\]\: Welcome back
]
;WL[560.778]W[sb]C[JP2gen \[16k?\]\: ohhhh lol
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: thankyou
]
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(
;B[af]BL[87.518]C[*** Game losing play, perhaps. See variation.]
;WL[45.623]W[ag]
;B[ee]BL[63.894]
(
;WL[39.682]W[ed]C[*** Game losing play. See variation.]
(
;B[nl]BL[61.341]C[*** Game losing play. Black gains 1 point, but. . . . See variation.]
;WL[22.498]W[ki]C[*** White gets the last play, a 1 point reverse sente, and wins by 0.5.]
;B[ji]BL[52.638]
;WL[16.744]W[kh]
;B[lk]OB[5]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[5]W[be]
;B[fg]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[5]W[tt]
;B[lm]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[5]W[kl]
;B[lo]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[5]W[ln]
;B[lj]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[4]W[tt]
;B[jf]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[4]W[bd]
;B[bm]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[4]W[cm]
;B[bl]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[4]W[bk]
;B[dg]OB[2]BL[30.0]
;WL[30.0]OW[4]W[ql]
;B[tt]OB[1]BL[30.0]
;TW[aa:ea][ai][aj:cj][ak][al:bn][bh][cb:fb][cc][ci][co][ec][in:io][km:lm][kn][la:sa][lb:nb][lo:no][mc][pb:qb][pj:rj][rh][si]WL[30.0]OW[4]W[tt]TB[ar:cr][as:bs][ds:fs][er:fr][gf:hf][gh:hi][gk:ik][gl][gq][hd][ij][kr][ls][mf:mg][nh][nk][ns:ss][oe:re][of:qf][og][oq:sr][qn:sp]C[EiggHead \[12k\]\: Amazing game
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: oh japanase rules
JP2gen \[16k?\]\: sorry if I kept you long
EiggHead \[12k\]\: Wondered at the dame
EiggHead \[12k\]\: No worries .. always love a skin of my teeth game
EiggHead \[12k\]\: Wow .. 0.5 points ..
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: thnx for the game
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: lol
EiggHead \[12k\]\: You are definitely not 15 .. not even 12 .. heh
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: why not 12? u r 12 and it was a close game
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: tho I really mess it up in my fuseki
EiggHead \[12k\]\: I'm not so sure I'm 12 .. perhaps higher .. I was just like you just this past weekend
EiggHead \[12k\]\: provisional rank .. I was 8kyu a year and some more back .. just getting back into it and getting used to the game again
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: hmmm now I'm confuse about my rank, you are a 8k but 12k?
EiggHead \[12k\]\: No .. old account I was 8kyu .. it went defunct when I stopped playing to raise my kids
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: my games translate to computers are weird lol
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: oh
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: how long does it take to go to 8k
EiggHead \[12k\]\: Heh .. it took me a long time as i played off and on ..
EiggHead \[12k\]\: first played go in 1994 \:-p
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: oh
EiggHead \[12k\]\: But didn't really get it at all until the 2000s
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: wow
EiggHead \[12k\]\: I didn't really try .. until I decided to get some book and find some live players
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: yeah, is nice play in live
EiggHead \[12k\]\: I just found the new local club this past weekend .. it is really nice touching real stones
EiggHead \[12k\]\: Where do you live?
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: i recorded this one in my kifu, I think i will revew it\; I really mess up my high chinnesse josk
EiggHead \[12k\]\: I will add you as a buddy .. let's play again sometime
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: sure
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: I gotta go now, sorry
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: but good game
EiggHead \[12k\]\: No problem .. thanks again
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: thnx
JP2gen \[15k?\]\: c u
]
)
(
;B[ki]C[*** Black takes his 1 point sente.]
;W[lj]
;B[lk]
;W[kl]
;B[nl]C[*** Black gets the last move that gains 1 point and wins by 0.5.]
)
)
(
;W[nl]C[*** Gets the last 1 point play.]
;B[ki]
;W[lj]
;B[lk]
;W[kl]
;B[ed]
;TW[aa:ea][ai][aj:cj][ak:bl][am:cm][an:bn][bh][cb:fb][cc][ci][co][in:io][km:ln][la:sa][lb:nb][lo:no][mc][pb:qb][pj:rj][rh][si]W[ec]TB[ar:cr][as:bs][ds:fs][er:fr][gf:hf][gh:hi][gk:ik][gl][gq][hd][ij][kr][ls][mf:mg][nh][ns:ss][oe:re][of:qf][og][oq:sr][qn:sp]C[ *** White wins by 0.5.]
)
)
(
;B[ki]C[*** Sente.]
;W[lj]
;B[nl]C[*** Prepares for ko.]
;W[ee]
;B[lk]
;W[kl]
;B[ag]C[*** Makes a ko fight for the game.]
(
;W[bh]C[*** If White connects, . . .]
;B[af]TW[aa:ea][ai][aj:cj][ak:bl][am:cm][an:bn][cb:fb][cc][ci][co][ec:ed][in:io][km:ln][la:sa][lb:nb][lo:no][mc][pb:qb][pj:rj][rh][si]TB[ar:cr][as:bs][ds:fs][er:fr][gf:hf][gh:hi][gk:ik][gl][gq][hd][ij][kr][ls][mf:mg][nh][nk][ns:ss][oe:re][of:qf][og][oq:sr][qn:sp]C[*** Black wins by 0.5.]
)
(
;W[af]C[*** So White plays ko. Difficult fight. Lopsided ko favoring Black.]
)
)
)
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:06 am
by EdLee
EiggHead wrote:Would something like 32 at Q7 be a better move to contest the right...
Bill Spight wrote:Looking for the game losing play
It's not easy to answer your question about

at Q7 --
there are bigger, more fundamental problems elsewhere. Listen to Bill.

Re:
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:19 am
by Bill Spight
EdLee wrote:EiggHead wrote:Would something like 32 at Q7 be a better move to contest the right...
Bill Spight wrote:Looking for the game losing play
It's not easy to answer your question about

at Q7 --
there are bigger, more fundamental problems elsewhere. Listen to Bill.

Thanks, Ed, but I just addressed a small problem.

As for the problem of

, it can be traced back to earlier plays.

,

, and

would have been better at O-03.

would have been better at O-15. Under the circumstances,

was not bad.

Re: A squeaker
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:08 pm
by EiggHead
Thank you Ed and Bill ... I love how when doing fuseki problems

I can maintain a calm that is seems impossible when I'm actually playing
